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Whey Protein Powder = Sugar for some

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I put myself on a higher protein diet for about 3 weeks last month, (went to about 45% protein, and 45% fat instead of my usual 68-72% fat) and I was shocked to see my trigs went from 80 to over 150 on my blood tests after this little experiment.. and I was getting my protein from whey protein isolate shakes with NO ADDED SUGAR.. just the protein and a little stevia

DFH experienced the same phenomena when he started using whey protein as well..

Because I didn't know this until I experienced it, I wanted to highlight our discussion from this thread, just in case anyone else might want to know..


Ellen
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http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com

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It's those fast acting, pesky BCAA's..... valine, luecine & iso-luecine! http://www.ajcn.org/content/74/1/96.full.pdf

Kathy Coe
CFT, SPN, MT
Refinery Fitness Center

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Okaaaaay Kathy. Would you explain that to me!!! Please

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Isn't Whey Protein in Atkins Bars too?

This would be why they are no good for weight loss

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Since whey protein isolate is a refined product of milk (consists predominantly of the three main branched chain amnio acids in milk) and is designed to rapidly deliver aminos to a highly trained glycolytic athlete, it is not going to work the same for us unless our glycogen levels are truly depleted. In other words, in an athlete who has exausted his muscle glycogen, WPI is beneficial after a workout and rapidly restores nitrogen balance.... but for a non-athlete or a more metbolically challanged person using whey as a meal substitute, it can cause an insulingenic response. Using a slower acting protein such as egg white or micellar casein would be better suited for meal replacement shakes, for slower release of energy.

Kathy Coe
CFT, SPN, MT
Refinery Fitness Center

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Good stuff. That makes sense!

DFH's blog for diet and health: http://dietforhumans.com/

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And just when I was wondering if I should get some to help me get to 50g of protein first thing in the morning. Guess not...




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Thanks Kathy!!

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Perhaps this explains my reaction to Quest Bars?

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and mine to my protein powder pancakes. A weight gain every time! ;((

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Thanks for the great info!

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I'm probably missing something, but I'm asking myself: if someone wants some protein, what's wrong with meat?

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Nothing at all, except is has to be cooked and many don't have time to do that at breakfast.

Ellen
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http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com

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Nothing at all, except is has to be cooked and many don't have time to do that at breakfast.
It takes me three minutes to reheat a burger in the microwave every morning. I cook burgers in batches and freeze them. I thaw them in the fridge overnight and nuke one every morning. Takes almost no time at all and it's a lot more filling and satisfying than a shake. Of course you could eat any kind of leftover meat for breakfast.

Eggs and sausage take very little time to fix as well. Scrambled eggs take about a minute to cook on the stove and I microwave a couple of pre-cooked sausage links (Walmart brand) while the eggs are cooking. They take about a minute on 50% power from frozen. I heat the sausages on the plate that I eat off of so there's very little cleanup. Just a plate, spatula and fork to throw into the dishwasher and I wipe out the nonstick frying pan with a paper towel. Easier than cleaning my blender for sure.

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Eggs and sausage take very little time to fix as well. Scrambled eggs take about a minute to cook on the stove and I microwave a couple of pre-cooked sausage links (Walmart brand) while the eggs are cooking. They take about a minute on 50% power from frozen. I heat the sausages on the plate that I eat off of so there's very little cleanup. Just a plate, spatula and fork to throw into the dishwasher and I wipe out the nonstick frying pan with a paper towel. Easier than cleaning my blender for sure.
For me, any leftover dinner meat is great at breakfast. My DH loves the Walmart sausage patties. He nukes one with an egg every morning.

I had thought about the shakes, but after this thread and Kathy's answer, that idea will go out the window.
Great posts from everyone.

Jane-who is very fortunate


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Okay I have to throw a monkey wrench into this.. ever since I got those blood results after upping my protein intake with whey, I've been trying to figure out why my HDL dropped and Trigs went up.

I got to thinking about it and wondered if the mobilization of my own fat stores would cause trigs to increase temporarily.. I looked all over Pubmed and couldn't find any paper which discussed this..

I also did a bunch of research on whey protein and found that it has all kinds of positive health effects. So I was confused..

Then I saw this post by Dr. William Davis..


When I go back and look at my blood work again, it totally mirrors what he says.. so maybe whey protein isn't so bad.

My apologies, everyone, for the misinformation.

Ellen
http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com
http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com

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That is interesting, but I'm not so sure.

I didn't have a lot of weight to lose when I started doing the whey protein. I was doing it because my dr had me on soft food for about 2 months. I gained some weight AND trigs went up. This would not fit the Dr Davis theory.

DFH's blog for diet and health: http://dietforhumans.com/

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How much weight had you lost while including whey? Have you taken 1 hour post prandial BG readings to chart how your body is reacting to the whey?

Kathy Coe
CFT, SPN, MT
Refinery Fitness Center

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How much weight had you lost while including whey? Have you taken 1 hour post prandial BG readings to chart how your body is reacting to the whey?
About 5 pounds over the month, so not a great deal, and I did not do blood glucose readings, but I did have blood work done as I said, and was pleasantly surprised to see that my HBA1c dropped.
Milk and yogurt contain casein which does jack up insulin, and in the study mentioned, 25 grams of lactose was added to each meal to keep the carbohydrate content the same. So what was really tested was the milk proteins and milk sugar. I just wonder if it was the lactose that caused the insulin spike, as other research has shown when protein and sugar are consumed together, the insulin response is higher.

Ellen
http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com
http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com