My super low triglycerides
 My super low triglycerides , 09-25-2008 07:51 PM


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I just got the detailed print out of the tests that were performed on me a few months back where I had the high total cholesterol. The print out only gives total cholesterol, triglycerides and homecysteine.

Well my triglycerides are 21

My homecysteine is 196

Both of these measurements put me in the really low reference range.

I am very happy about this. One question though: I have been stalled for 15 months and have recently found that it's because I am hypothyroid. So I am not losing weight and am 15lbs away from a healthy weight for my body. So why are my triglycerides so low? Does anyone else have very low triglycerides? I am very happy about it but just curious to understand it.

RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-25-2008 08:09 PM


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Typically if you are losing a lot of weight, your triglyceride levels might appear deceptively high, even if you are LC-ing. Yours being low is consistent with your difficulties with weightloss and diet.

I, too, had very low TG levels when last tested, at 38, but yours are lower, you win
RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-25-2008 10:04 PM


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Isn't it funny how even when you are struggling to lose your triglycerides and HDL can be so FABULOUS? The same thing happened to me when I had my blood work run earlier this year...IMMACULATE NUMBERS, but frustrating stall in my weight. STRANGE!

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RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-25-2008 11:59 PM


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Same here. Tri's 37, HDL 77. Very common numbers for low carbers.
RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-26-2008 04:15 AM


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RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-26-2008 06:47 AM


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Congratulations! According to Dr. Davis at Heart Scan Blog, when TGs fall below 45, all "abnormal" lipoproteins are gone. "Normal" or "safe" levels of TGs is usually considered to be 150! That's because it's impossible to get them lower on the AHA diet...

Low trigs in combination with high HDL-C and high total cholesterol means that your LDL and HDL particles are large, fluffy and non-atherogenic. Krauss showed that Pattern A (the healthy pattern) dominates when trigs are below 60. With trigs at 21, you can be pretty sure that your lipoproteins are exclusively large and buoyant. I'll bet you have lots of HDL2b!

More cholesterol in lipoproteins = less atherogenic particles, higher total cholesterol.
RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-26-2008 09:49 PM


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Marius Wrote:Low trigs in combination with high HDL-C and high total cholesterol means that your LDL and HDL particles are large, fluffy and non-atherogenic. Krauss showed that Pattern A (the healthy pattern) dominates when trigs are below 60. With trigs at 21, you can be pretty sure that your lipoproteins are exclusively large and buoyant. I'll bet you have lots of HDL2b!

I don't have my LDL or HDL numbers unfortunately. Bizzarely we only test total cholesterol, homecysteine and triglycerides for a cholesterol panel here. If you want HDL and LDl that requires another test.

How can we be sure that I have mainly large and fluffy particles? Simply becasue my triglycerides are so low?

RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-26-2008 11:30 PM


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lynnhopes Wrote:
Marius Wrote:Low trigs in combination with high HDL-C and high total cholesterol means that your LDL and HDL particles are large, fluffy and non-atherogenic. Krauss showed that Pattern A (the healthy pattern) dominates when trigs are below 60. With trigs at 21, you can be pretty sure that your lipoproteins are exclusively large and buoyant. I'll bet you have lots of HDL2b!

I don't have my LDL or HDL numbers unfortunately. Bizzarely we only test total cholesterol, homecysteine and triglycerides for a cholesterol panel here. If you want HDL and LDl that requires another test.

How can we be sure that I have mainly large and fluffy particles? Simply becasue my triglycerides are so low?


Well apparently, a good to triglyceride to HDL ratio (<2 I believe) is also supposed to be a good counter-indicator to the small, dense LDL particles, which are thought to be atherogenic. Well, you don't know your ratio, since you don't know your HDL, but with such a low TG measurement, it would be strange if you didn't have a fabulous ratio!

BTW, as I've recently posted in another thread, according to Mary Enig & Sally Fallon ("Eat Fat, Lose Fat"), coconut oil and high vitamin butter oil are supposed to be good for thyroid. (also the vitamin A in cod-liver oil, and the iodine and vitamin A in the butter from grass-fed cows).
BTW, I assume you are not using soy?
(sorry if this is all old hat to you, but thought I'd better mention it).


Regards,
Mike
RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-27-2008 09:04 AM


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It's nothing to worry about. Lamarche et al. (JAMA 1998) found that the biggest risk factor for heart disease was elevated fasting insulin, followed by elevated trigs. Small, dense lipos dominate when trigs are high. These are all really markers for carb intake anyway. High carb/low fat = higher insulin, high TGs, low HDL, low HDL2b/higher HDL3, small, dense LDL. Low carb/high fat = the opposite. Krauss is the big authority on this and his clinical trials clearly showed how it works. These markers pretty much move in concert.

I suspect insulin determines the lipid "profile" more than anything.

By the way, Dr. Davis of Heart Scan Blog wrote that wheat exerts a "peculiar and exaggerated" effect on lipoproteins, causing small, dense LDL. And Krauss found that saturated fat is most efficient at causing larger, fluffier LDL, more so than the "heart-healthy" monounsaturated fat of olive oil.
RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-27-2008 02:37 PM


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Wheat is murder! Sorry, had to. Wheat is probably the worst thing to eat ever, IMHO. Nothing good comes of it.

Congrats on your fab numbers Lynnhopes!

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RE: My super low triglycerides , 09-27-2008 02:42 PM


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Lynn, I would bet the farm your LDL particle size is primarily the large, fluffy kind based on your HDL and triglycerides. Get it checked and you'll know for sure.

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