No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!!
No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 12:28 PM


Junior Low-Carber


Hey Low-carber's.

I am in a very strange situation that has me pretty frustrated with low-carb dieting.

3 weeks ago, I started my low-carb journey, and have been testing positive for Ketosis with the Ketostix at around 80mg since day 4. This has been my results every day since day 4, and I am on now on day 21.

To add insult to injury, I have been doing 1hr of INTENSE Heart Rate monitor exercise WITH A PERSONAL TRAINER for the past 2 weeks. The exercise is so intense, that you literally are JUST BEAT.

Now, when I say 1hr of exercise, I meant it, every sprint, jump rope, recovery is timed WITH A STOPWATCH! I do this 5 days per week: Sat, Sun, Mon, Tue, and Thu.


Here is why I feel depressed; ZERO WEIGHT LOSS!!! I weigh EXACTLY THE SAME AS I DID 3 WEEKS AGO!!!

I drink 1 gallon of water per day, I eat egg beaters (not whole eggs), I ONLY use Stevia/Truvia on my products, BLACK COFFEE ONLY!!!

my proteins: Lean Beef, skinless chicken breasts, chicken sausage (All Natural) and WHITE FISH only (NO bacon, NO Pork)


I am eating about 1800calories per day total, and take a Vitamin B12 injection in my stomach every morning.


Someone, please help me figure this out. Ketosis AND exercise ARE NOT WORKING AT ALL!!

My stats:

Male, 30
Height: 5'11
Weight: 236lbs <<-- have been this way for 3 weeks!!!
BMI = 33 <<-- This has not moved a single point!
BofyFat = 27% <<-- Was this exact % 3 weeks ago!


MY SHORT-TERM GOAL NEXT 2 MONTHS:

Weight: 200lbs
BMI: 29
BF% = <=15%

** Looking to lose 32-36lbs of FAT in the next 6 weeks if possible.

* I feel EXTREMELY FULL OF ENERGY, NEVER TIRED, so that's a good thing I guess, but I don't want energy without any weight loss, what is the point?

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

I have heard of people eating pretty terrible foods like bacon, whole eggs, pork on this diet with NO exercise and lose weight fast!!

This is so frustrating!

RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 12:46 PM


Unregistered

 
It's easy.

1. Stop killing yourself with that workout. The cortisol you are making erases any hormonal benefit you would get with low carb.

Most trainers don't know anything except what they did when they spent time in the gym or a sport.

2. Listen carefully to Jimmys interview with Mark Sisson on ketosis. If you are lighting up the keto sticks, it just means you are "not there yet." It means that you converted fat to ketones, then wasted it in urine because the body is not yet adapted to low carb (burning fat for fuel, not carbs).

3. Edit-added #3. Re-check your protein requirements. If you are doing too much, it's just blocking you from burning the fat you want to lose as well.

My guess is the intense workouts are preventing you from becoming adjusted to burning those ketones, so you see them on the keto stick.

You want to keep doing low carb until you stop seeing positive readings on the sticks. Just keep it up, and relax!

BTW-if you have mad energy, think of the B12 shot. If you don't get a charge out of those, you need to get your money back.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 01:51 PM


Junior Low-Carber



1. Stop killing yourself with that workout. The cortisol you are making erases any hormonal benefit you would get with low carb.
You know, I also wondered about cortisol, but I'm really not that stressed out overall in my life. I live on a tropical, sunny, warm beach, only work 4hrs a day, and dedicate a lot of time to my personal hobbies, I live a happy, almost stress-free life =)



Link?


I'm eating 3 portions of proteins per day at about 10-14ozs per day. Here si where I am confused, I knew a guy who was eating BUCKETS of KFC on this diet, w/o any regard to calories/ozs and his before/aftre pictures are mind-blowing NO EXCERCISE!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! {angry}


Well, after watching the TV series "Heavy", I am hoping this is not the case as I truly like the exercise program I am in. I honestly feel great, and full of energy, which is why the NO weight loss has me completely speechless!



Really? I thought the goal was to keep yourself in the pink/moderate zone of Ketostix?


Not sure what you meant here. I Take a B12 Sub-Q injection in my stomach every morning, and yes, my energy levels are through the roof every day, which is why I can do this High Intensity Exercise.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 02:00 PM


Expert Low-Carber


Google "chronic cardio". Read, in particular, the article on Mark's Daily Apple.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 02:14 PM


Junior Low-Carber



That is an excellent article!!

POSTING THE LINK:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/case-agai...z1mkZANbtc


Now, one of the things that the author mentions is that while he is doing these HI workouts, he is also on a HIGH-CARB/HIGH-SUGAR diet:

"In retrospect, it is clear now that my carbohydrate-fueled high-intensity aerobic lifestyle"

Not my case, as I am low-carb/high-protein fueled HI lifestyle.

The author then states........

"The costs of chronic (repetitious) mid- and high-level aerobic work
- requires large amounts of dietary carbohydrates (SUGAR)"

As I posted, not my case, I am under 10G of carbs per day.

Great Read, I think I will modify my HI workouts to 3x per week instead of 5, and add some low intensity, and see who that goes, maybe 5x per week is too much!

Finally, the author does not dismiss Interval training at all, which is essentially what I am doing:

The benefits of interval training (sprinting in short intense bursts)
- increases muscle fiber strength
- increases aerobic capacity (work ability)
- increases muscle mitochondria (the main energy production center in muscle)
- increases insulin sensitivity
- increases natural growth hormone production


Any other opinions?
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 03:21 PM


Unregistered

 
Do you know your triglycerides?

The stuff about you mis-reading the intent of keto sticks is true. You haven't done low carb long enough, those workouts are interfering, or your balance of protein is too high and keeping you from burning fat. That is what the sticks are telling you.

There is a discussion on Sisson's talk on ketones on this forum, look for the ATLCX post.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 04:42 PM


Junior Low-Carber



yes, part of my physical before I started training measured my triglycerides less than 150mg/DL, considered normal. That was 2 weeks ago. I should be stable since I have been working out, right?


Definitely something to explore. I will cut down my training from 5x a week to 3x per week, for the next 2 weeks and see if that accelerates fat loss. I honestly will be SHOCKED BEYOND BELIEF if another 2 weeks go by of low-carb and exercise and I do not lose weight, or drop my BF% along with a couple of points on my BMI index.



Definitely plausible. However, how long should one be in Ketosis? what is "long enough" as you mentioned?


Cool thx!

** BTW, I guess this whole eat whatever meat you want, in quantities you want, with no exercise is a myth for fat loss? I am just furious that my neighbor lost 40lbs, his waist size shrunk like magic, and I would see him cooking greasy pork chops EVERY NIGHT, and not once set-foot inside a gym! he was the one that got me into this low-carb lifestyle.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 05:45 PM


Unregistered

 
"Working it off" is a myth.

I went from 315 in May 2007 to 220 by Jan 1, sitting on my can. In fact every single time I got active, weight kept back up...six times. Each time I just relaxed and got the fat burn going again. There is a big and significant difference though, I was a hormone wreck and changing everything at once, not simple.

If your trigs are in line already, this is good. It means you probably are not insulin resistant or metabolically challenged. That's probably why low carb alone doesn't seem to be making a huge dent in things. Low carb fixes what (possibly in your case) ain't that broke.

There is no way to predict exactly when your keto sticks should stop showing ketoSIS and you are not a "sugar burner" as Sisson puts it.

What it sounds like is you went low carb (to get used to burning fat for fuel) and then went hard training mode with a body not ready for that. The sugar burning part of your system is still active (and the keto sticks prove it), wondering where the carbs went. The thyroid maybe even cranking up it's metabolism slowing process in response, made worse by over training-this is hard on the adrenals, more hormones!
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 05:58 PM


Expert Low-Carber



I went from 315 in May 2007 to 220 by Jan 1, sitting on my can. In fact every single time I got active, weight kept back up...six times. Each time I just relaxed and got the fat burn going again. There is a big and significant difference though, I was a hormone wreck and changing everything at once, not simple.

If your trigs are in line already, this is good. It means you probably are not insulin resistant or metabolically challenged. That's probably why low carb alone doesn't seem to be making a huge dent in things. Low carb fixes what (possibly in your case) ain't that broke.

There is no way to predict exactly when your keto sticks should stop showing ketoSIS and you are not a "sugar burner" as Sisson puts it.

What it sounds like is you went low carb (to get used to burning fat for fuel) and then went hard training mode with a body not ready for that. The sugar burning part of your system is still active (and the keto sticks prove it), wondering where the carbs went. The thyroid maybe even cranking up it's metabolism slowing process in response, made worse by over training-this is hard on the adrenals, more hormones!
It seems every time I see a road crew working construction, there is at least one grossly obese man in the crew. Exercise for losing weight, very indirect if any effect, and IIUC there are no studies showing exercise takes weight off. Not even talking about the Pima Indians who are far away in space and time, or Garry Taubes many examples.

People seem to have less use of their brains on this subject than D-G gave an animal cracker.

Eat food. Mostly Animals. Watch the protein.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-18-2012 08:24 PM


Advanced Low-Carber


I generally recommend that people go into Low Carb, Induction, etc...whatever they want to consider it and are comfortable with it for AT LEAST A MONTH before starting the rigorous training. Not only does it allow them to see the impact that diet can have on health, weight loss and many other things (energy level, cognitive function, stress) but the introduction of training can be an added boost right at the time when many people start to see the plateau. It can be just shocking enough to kick start the body into another gear...and as Mark Sisson says, by that time the diet has allowed you to become a "fat-burning beast."

Nice link to the article. That's one of them that came to mind when I read this question. Good luck MIxx.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-19-2012 06:58 PM


Expert Low-Carber


Is there a reason that you are going low fat? You must be very high protein and that maybe one of the problems.

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test
first, the lesson afterwards."

Vernon Sanders Law


RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-19-2012 08:11 PM


Junior Low-Carber



I take my fat from 2 TBS of natural Peanut Butter, that's pretty much all the Good Fats the body needs to eliminate bad fats.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-19-2012 08:13 PM


Junior Low-Carber


UPDATE:

Well, Today I weighed in, and I was 234lBS! and my BMI at 33.6 with a BF% of 24%.

I guess 21 days is the magic number before the body uses FAT for fuel when in Ketosis?
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-19-2012 09:24 PM


Unregistered

 

Well, Today I weighed in, and I was 234lBS! and my BMI at 33.6 with a BF% of 24%.

I guess 21 days is the magic number before the body uses FAT for fuel when in Ketosis?
Good for you! Feels good when something starts working, doesn't it?

There is no magic number on when "it" kicks in. Everyone is going to be different.

What up with eggbeaters? Go for real food, no Frankenfood. It's time. More bacon!
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-20-2012 04:00 AM


Junior Low-Carber


Hey, before I freak out, I tested my urine on ketostix, and I went from 80mg to 10mg. PLease tell me this is cool before I start freaking out as I have NOT EATEN ANY CARBS!!
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-20-2012 10:08 AM


Unregistered

 
Yer fine. Time for some bacon.

Here is another explanation of what goes on and why you should have been eating fat instead of lean protein-

http://www.livestrong.com/article/512522...-of-carbs/
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-20-2012 12:35 PM


Advanced Low-Carber



Well, Today I weighed in, and I was 234lBS! and my BMI at 33.6 with a BF% of 24%.

I guess 21 days is the magic number before the body uses FAT for fuel when in Ketosis?
Once your body becomes used to burning fat stores, the results will continue to amaze you. You will be able to implement certain carbohydrate sources and still tap into the fat stores quite nicely.

Sometimes though, just seeing something positive can be all that is needed. Congrats.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-20-2012 03:44 PM


Junior Low-Carber



Here is another explanation of what goes on and why you should have been eating fat instead of lean protein-

http://www.livestrong.com/article/512522...-of-carbs/
Awesome!

I'm actually not a fan of Bacon. I am a HUGE lover of chicken sausage however, yum, had 3 of those bad boys this morning! TASTY!!


http://www.alfrescoallnatural.com/
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-22-2012 02:56 AM


Expert Low-Carber


It seems like you are trying to get the best of both worlds by combining a low fat diet with a low carb diet. The comment about eating natural peanut butter which will give you “all the good fat a body needs,” shows you haven’t bought into the LC lifestyle. One of the great advantages of eating this way is the freedom to eat good natural foods. Once you accept that red meat and pork are actually good for you, and that you don’t have to kill yourself in the gym, you will find success.

You might want to ditch the keto sticks and pay attention to your friend who lost all that weight. I have heard about low carb low fat diets that work, but they are few and far in between. Eating a stress free, high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet will be easier and more successful in the long term. Pay close attention to the HIGH FAT part of that description. Fill you meals with high fat animal protein and you will be amazed at the results.

Good luck.
RE: No weight loss on Ketosis, PLUS HIGH INTENSITY EXERCISES!! , 02-22-2012 03:10 AM


Junior Low-Carber



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