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Heavy Cream and Butter

Expert Low-Carber



Okay... I'm trying to do a high fat/low carb diet. ie: 65-70 fat/20-25 protein/10 carbs

My question is: How much is too much cream and butter? Today, I probably had 4 tbsp of butter (on broccoli or to fry my eggs) and about 12 tbsp of heavy cream. I had a splash in my scrambled eggs and I had 3 protein shakes with 4 tbsp of heavy cream added.

Meals
b - 3 scrambled eggs with a tbsp of butter and a splash of heavy cream
s - 2 mozzarella string cheese sticks.
l - protein shake with 4 tbsp of heavy cream (i use advantedge shakes) and a cup of broccoli with 2 Tbsp of butter.
I also had a severe hypoglycemic attack while drinking the protein shake. I thought I was going to pass out. Heart racing and the whole bit. I hurried to the refrigerator and took one swallow of fruit juice and ate 2 Tbsp of Cottage cheese. Started feeling better after about 20 mins.

s- another protein shake with 4 Tbsp heavy cream
d- 2 pork chops with cream of mushroom soup on top and a cup of broccoli with 2 Tbsp butter
s - another protein shake with 4 Tbsp heavy cream

Any ideas/help are greatly appreciated. Also, am I eating too many carbs? Too much fat? Not enough protein?

Thanks




Expert Low-Carber



There is no such thing as too much butter on low carb.

The heavy cream I would limit to no more than a half pint a day IF you're out of Induction.

The next time someone questions your Low-Carb way of life, and tries to give you "words of wisdom" against it, quote them these words from Michael Scott of NBC's "The Office": "I will swallow what you just said, digest it, and see what comes out the other end."


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Beegee, I think that you had a reaction to high ketosis. I have never seen this addressed but I believe that if you should go into acute ketosis ( sudden onset ketosis ) your body will react in a similar manner to hypoglycemia. Simply because your body isn't used to having such a high amount of ketones.That happened to me after drinking several cups of coffee spike with cream and MCT oil. I know that MCT will put you into ketosis quickly. It passed quickly without any help from me except a little walk down the hall. Personally, I think that you are consuming to many protein shakes. I drink them but neve mor than 1 a day. Don't make this into a diet. Just enjoy the food around you. I eat all the butter, cream, coconut oil etc that I want. I don't measure anything...nada, not even carbs. I do a carbestimate and probably consume less than 20 grams of carbs on a daily basis. But some times I consume more, some days I consume less. The only thing that I count are my meal frequencies which I keep to a maximum of 2 meals a day. I'll have a protein shake if I feel that I did not eat very much for the day.

One heatlhy way to increase your fats is to include avocadoes in your diet. I had a whole avocado that I sliced and mixed with 3 eggs and topped with blue cheese dressing. I also take krill oil, MCT oil and add coconut oil to my cooking along with my butter and cream which I do not measure. Oh yeah, I also add bacon or ham to my green beans and southern cooked greens such as collards or kale. Food should be yummy without the poison ( carbs ). The shakes are alright but also do not forget the meat, fish, poultry, pork etc.

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Thanks Rev!

I'm not out of induction.




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Thanks Black57! Especially for the explanation on the ketosis. It was a little scary when it happened. What is MCT oil? You are right on the protein shakes. I was having one or two a day, and then today, I got lazy! I will cut them down and add in more meat. Thanks again!




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Several questions will allow us to give you better advice. Have you picked a particular low carb program and read the book that accompanies that program? It sounds like Atkins would be appropriate for you based on your criteria (70/20/10). I strongly encourage you to do that if you haven't already. I learn something new each time I read it.

How long have you been controlling your carbs? 2 weeks? 1 month? etc...

Do you exercise? If so, you may want to focus more on body composition (% Body Fat) than BMI since muscle/lean body mass counts against your BMI, which is preposterous and very demoralizing. Judging by BMI, athletic people are considered obese.

Atkins encourages you to eat until satisfied, but don't gorge yourself. Fat has a higher level of satiety than protein and carbs. So you will naturally eat less of it than carbs, which will stimulate appetite.

What are your goals and what is the time frame you want to achieve these goals in? Think of this as a lifetime way of eating, not a quick fix. You may want to back off on some of the protein shakes, but I don't know that for sure. Gluconeogenesis "can" cause dietary protein to stimulate insulin, but nothing close to what carbs will.

Only you can tell whether those things are slowing your weight loss. Each of us has a different carb threshold. I can have around 50-70 grams a day and not gain anything, but I need to keep around 20 grams if I want to actively lose.

The longer you do low carb, the more in tune you will become with your hunger, cravings, hormones, etc, which is why it can be personalized so well.

I am reactive hypoglycemic too. I encourage you to combat your hypoglycemic episodes with fat in the diet,not sugar like the fruit juices. The sugar causes your blood sugar to spike again, only to be followed by another crash. If you do have a high protein or high carb snack, try to eat some fat with it. That will reduce the impact it has on your blood sugar.

Also, diet sodas "can" complicate your reactive hypoglycemia. It doesn't mean you can't have them, just pay attention to how they make you feel, and try to have it with some dietary fat so it isn't on an empty stomach.

Expert Low-Carber




Yeah, it was scary when it happened to me especially since I had not had a hypoglycemic episode in 6 years. It didn't make sense to me since I have not done anything any different except hog down that MCT laced coffee. I am accustomed to a high amount of fats but the MCT oil, I believe, was a bit of an overload. It goes right to the blood stream without being processed in the liver or intestine etc. So it was just a massive jolt.



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Thank you all so much for the advice. I started low carbing on Monday. I have indeed read just about every diet book out there. No kidding! In fact, I listed 83 books on Amazon last week. I am selling every diet book except my low carb ones. Some of those I kept include Atkins, Protein Power, several cookbooks and a Barry Groves book. The rest, I never had any luck with. My problem with the induction has ALWAYS been... it feels like I'm restricted on food. Yes, I know that there are tons of things that I can have but still, if I feel that way, then I never stick with it. Don't ask why. Must be some psychosymatic thing!

I like the high fat because it DOES keep me feeling full, whereas high protein does not. I also don't mind cooking but do not want to do it for every meal, hence the protein shakes idea. They say they have 0 carbs and 0 sugars, so I thought they might be okay. BUT... I know that if it seems to good to be true....it probably is!

So, my idea was to just start eating low carb. Not really any set diet. But, I knew that I wanted to do a higher fat since it was keeping me full. I can binge like nobody's business! So, what I'm looking for are along these lines.. high fat, something simple/easy on the cooking because I'm all about convenience and I want it to be healthy for me. Any ideas?

I'm wanting to weigh between 130-135. I would be happy at 135. I am 5'5" and I started out at 153 pounds. Yesterday, I was down to 147.6. Today, I'm at 148.6. (probably the protein shakes?) I'm in no hurry to get to that number but I also don't want it to take forever, either. I want to feel better than what I have felt these last four days, that's for sure! I do think I'm starting to feel less tired but the leg cramps have still not went away. That is one reason I ate two cups of broccoli yesterday. I also took a 99 mg Potassium pill. Probably should take a few more but I do not like messing with something that can damage my heart.

As for exercise.. I generally walk 2 miles per day. If it's cold, I do not force myself to go. Spring is upon us, so I will be back to my regular schedule.

Hope this helps.




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Hi Beegee, and welcome -

One thing I noticed is that you are talking of LC'ing as a diet - it is not . It is a way of life . At first I thought about the "foods" that I'd be missing out on . But after I really got into LC , I noticed how much better I felt - aches and pains were almost nonexistant . No longer had any cravings ( that happened after induction ) - nor mad hunger nor "head" hunger.

I no longer have any desire for any other food , but what I'm eating as a LC way of life ! You can do this , all us have been there .

As for your leg cramps - you get ask Dr. Jim about that - find his thread in the "Debunking Myths ..." thread .

Great to have you here , 's , Patti

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Expert Low-Carber




One thing I noticed is that you are talking of LC'ing as a diet - it is not . It is a way of life . At first I thought about the "foods" that I'd be missing out on . But after I really got into LC , I noticed how much better I felt - aches and pains were almost nonexistant . No longer had any cravings ( that happened after induction ) - nor mad hunger nor "head" hunger.

I no longer have any desire for any other food , but what I'm eating as a LC way of life ! You can do this , all us have been there .

As for your leg cramps - you get ask Dr. Jim about that - find his thread in the "Debunking Myths ..." thread .

Great to have you here , 's , Patti

Thanks, Patti -

Oooops, I said the "D" word! lol Yes, I do want this as a lifestyle. In fact, today is day 5 eating this way. The longest I have ever lasted on low carb or any other diet for that matter, is 4 days! So, I have made an accomplishment! I want to be healthy, lose weight, and I want to feel great for life. So, a lifestyle change it's gotta be!

Thanks for your suggestions and great job on your weight loss!




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By the way... is a high fat diet healthy or not? I've read many books that say they are but if you put in high fat diet on a search engine, it pulls up nothing but BAD stuff. Cancer, strokes, heart attacks, etc.




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If you haven't heard of it, you should check out FatHead the Movie. Jimmy interviewed the writer/director/star Tom Naughton about a month ago. It may help to dispell some of the myths that have been publicized against a high fat lifestyle.

http://www.amazon.com/Fat-Head-Tom-Naugh...B001NRY6R2
http://www.youtube.com/user/FatHeadMovie


Studies that come to those conclusions will often use logic like this:
Subjects eating a high fat diet ate McDonald's Big Macs and Fries. There is a lot of fat in a Big Mac and fries, those subjects had a higher rate of disease. Conclusion: A high-fat diet causes cancer, strokes, heart disease, diabetes.

When in fact the carbs in the bun, sauces, and fries could be (and are) to blame for the higher rate of disease, especially diabetes.

They never isolate the variables, and most of those studies are rife with bias towards the politically correct way to eat (the Sacks study published in the New England Journal of Medicine last month as an example).

Even the "Low Carb" subjects in those studies often eat over 100g of carbs a day, which is lower than the 300g a day the government recommends, but not the low carb ketogenic way of eating that I and many others here use in our everyday life, and Dr. Atkins used to treat his patients that had heart disease.

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Some tips for making your own meals is to cook them in bulk. I am currently on week 5 of my induction period, and what I have been doing is rotating the main meat for the week. For example I will throw a beef roast into the slow cooker on Sunday night, then I have 4-5 meals done for the week, which means with very little effort 1/3 of my meals are already done. The next week I will fill the slow cooker with chicken or a pork roast, then something else the next week. You can bulk cook your bacon in the oven. I usually cook up 2lbs on the weekend and stick them in a couple of ziplock bags, then I can just stick a couple of pieces in the microwave for a few seconds or just eat it cold. I also take a bag of the bacon to work with me, so its in the fridge always at hand if I get hungry. Also if you are cooking a meal make extra, that way, you get multiple meals out of a single cooking time, I cook extra for my lunches or another dinner later in the week. Some example of things I cook extra of are lemon pepper chicken, hamburgers, pork chops, etc.

Food is Fuel..... nothing more, nothing less.

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Jonny Bowden wrote that saturated fat seems to be at worst neutral, and at best very healthy depending on which study you look at.

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My question is: How much is too much cream and butter? Today, I probably had 4 tbsp of butter (on broccoli or to fry my eggs) and about 12 tbsp of heavy cream. I had a splash in my scrambled eggs and I had 3 protein shakes with 4 tbsp of heavy cream added.

Meals
b - 3 scrambled eggs with a tbsp of butter and a splash of heavy cream
s - 2 mozzarella string cheese sticks.
l - protein shake with 4 tbsp of heavy cream (i use advantedge shakes) and a cup of broccoli with 2 Tbsp of butter.
I also had a severe hypoglycemic attack while drinking the protein shake. I thought I was going to pass out. Heart racing and the whole bit. I hurried to the refrigerator and took one swallow of fruit juice and ate 2 Tbsp of Cottage cheese. Started feeling better after about 20 mins.

s- another protein shake with 4 Tbsp heavy cream
d- 2 pork chops with cream of mushroom soup on top and a cup of broccoli with 2 Tbsp butter
s - another protein shake with 4 Tbsp heavy cream

Any ideas/help are greatly appreciated. Also, am I eating too many carbs? Too much fat? Not enough protein?

Thanks
It really depends on which plan you are following. The two I'm most familiar with are Atkins and Protein Power.

The only limit on butter with Atkins is that you

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Seeker - What great ideas! I will do some of those. I cook right now for three teenagers and myself. My husband is only here on the weekends for a couple of months more. So.. We are all going low carb...unbeknownst to them! lol

Hogsfan - Thanks for the great info. I guess the deal is I'm going to have to find one plan and stick with it. I'm kinda in between atkin's and a fat fast, i think? Anyway, I love the looks of protein power... it just scares me due to the fact you are allowed fruit and deserts. (same with Atkin's when you pass induction) I have a hard time controlling deserts and when I eat fruit, I don't lose weight. If you are on Protein Power...are you losing weight effortlessly? I have two of their books and one of their cookbooks. It all looks great to me... just was leery about trying for those reasons.




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I like the high fat because it DOES keep me feeling full, whereas high protein does not. I also don't mind cooking but do not want to do it for every meal, hence the protein shakes idea. They say they have 0 carbs and 0 sugars, so I thought they might be okay. BUT... I know that if it seems to good to be true....it probably is!

So, my idea was to just start eating low carb. Not really any set diet. But, I knew that I wanted to do a higher fat since it was keeping me full. I can binge like nobody's business! So, what I'm looking for are along these lines.. high fat, something simple/easy on the cooking because I'm all about convenience and I want it to be healthy for me. Any ideas?

I'm wanting to weigh between 130-135. I would be happy at 135. I am 5'5" and I started out at 153 pounds. Yesterday, I was down to 147.6. Today, I'm at 148.6. (probably the protein shakes?) I'm in no hurry to get to that number but I also don't want it to take forever, either. I want to feel better than what I have felt these last four days, that's for sure! I do think I'm starting to feel less tired but the leg cramps have still not went away. That is one reason I ate two cups of broccoli yesterday. I also took a 99 mg Potassium pill. Probably should take a few more but I do not like messing with something that can damage my heart.

As for exercise.. I generally walk 2 miles per day. If it's cold, I do not force myself to go. Spring is upon us, so I will be back to my regular schedule.

Hope this helps.

You are in the toughest part right now. Your body has to switch from burning glucose to burning fat. That is the purpose of the induction phase. To starve it of the sugar you were using, so it has no choice but to use fat. There is usually some delay in your body being efficient at using fat, which is why people go through the "Atkins Flu." It takes different enzymes in our bodies to extract the nutrients we need from fat instead of carbohydrates. So it will take a couple weeks for your body to produce enough of those new enzymes needed.

Your body hasn't been producing as many of the fat utilizing enzymes as you now require, so be prepared to feel a little lethargic/headaches/etc... until you get through the first couple of weeks to a month. This is likely why you've only made it 4 days into a low carb diet in the past. That is not important now. What is important is that you make it further than 4 days this time. Focus on succeeding this time.

Following a specific plan in the first month can be helpful to answer questions you have. For instance, if you were going to simply lower your carbs, but you had chosen 60g as the magic number, your body might still try and use glucose for energy (even though you wouldn't be supplying enough) and the Atkins flu could last months before your body figured out how to utilize fat for energy.

As far as cramps, it could be a Potassium deficiency, or it could be a Magnesium deficiency. Try soaking your feet in a warm bath of epsom salts (Magnesium Sulfate). That should help with cramps because the correct amount of Magnessium will be absorbed through your pores. Potassium supplements aren't especially powerful. You could eat half of an avocado and get more potassium than by taking several Potassium pills, and it is lower in carbs/sugar and higher in fat than bananas, so it will keep you full and not stimulate your appetite.

As far as feeling deprived, your hormones (dopamine, serotonin, etc) are likely out of balance if you haven't been supplying your body with the raw materials it uses to make them (fat, cholesterol). The cravings will subside once you break through this wall. Induction isn't fun, but it is necessary and worth it.

Try and eat food that is closer to its origin. There is low carb processed food to eat in a pinch, but try to make low starch veggies, cheese, eggs, meats the staples of your "diet." Maybe try a hard boiled egg instead of or with a protein shake. Or some brocolli with spinach dip.

As far as any other supplements, I take 3 spoftgels of vitamin D3 and 3 softgels of fish oil every morning. It may help you as well.

Exercise is good. You may want to focus on your food changes for right now until you get used to utilizing fat for energy. It doesn't make much sense to deprive your body of the food you've been using AND to increase the amount of work you are making it do at the same time.

Once you get used to low carb, you won't want to go back to how you were eating. Congratulations on taking the next step to good health. We are here for you.

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As far as your scales, I wouldn't get too hung up on the number that they show because so much of that is influenced by the amount of water in your body on a cellular level. Glycogen (your body's method for storing extra sugar in the liver and muscle cells) holds more water than your other cells, so the first few pounds while on low carb will be your body getting rid of that excess water.

That doesn't mean you can't be encouraged and happy to see the pounds go down on the scale, just understand what is happening so you don't get discouraged if it doesn't continue going down at that rate.

Pay attention to how you fit in your clothes. Keep some clothes that are a little snug in your closet and periodically try them on. If they are fitting better, you know you are making progress no matter what the scale says. You can even take measurments with a measuring tape. This will be fun when you look back in 6 months and you have number that quantifies your accomplishment.

As a fellow reactive hypoglycemic, I can tell you from first hand experience that this is the ONLY way that we should control our blood sugar disorder. If you don't eat foods that cause your blood sugar to spike, it won't ever crash and trigger a hypoglycemic episode. You would probably enjoy Jimmy's interviews with Dr. Berkowitz (who practiced with Dr. Atkins)

http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/dr-ke...isode-164/
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/dr-ke...isode-165/