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Post: #1 Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-12-2012 06:59 PM


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If you stick with it, that is? I realize that if you go off-plan, it's going to stop working. Duh.

I'm sticking with it, staying at 20-25 carbs/day. Average of 70/25/5 fat/protein/carb ratio. I'm not losing very quickly- in the first 2 weeks I lost just under 3 lbs. I have about 25 lbs. to lose. Not going quite as quickly as I'd prefer, but it's going. I'm in week 3 right now.

I'm wondering, over the long term, sticking with LCHF diet, does it "have to" work? Are there people for whom it does not result in a good amount of weight loss? I definitely have the weight to lose- my BMI is 29.5 at this point. I'm just trying to focus on the long term, and really, this WOE is not terribly hard to stick with, although it's not as convenient as eating crap all the time. I guess I just need "proof" that it will, eventually, get me where I want to be. I believe the science, for sure.

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Post: #2 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-12-2012 07:16 PM


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Losing weight is a process.

LC is not a process. It's something you change that enables the weight process to work. It's like if the body were a machine with a lot of buttons and levers, LC is a lever, but it's not the process itself.

LC is a smart and healthy way to adjust your body's internal process to fat burning. Once you do that, it's still up to you to lose weight (eat less). You can lose weight on a terrible diet too, you just would not want to.

In other words, don't believe "calories don't matter at all, carbs do."
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Post: #3 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-12-2012 07:31 PM


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And it depends on what you mean by "work." Weight loss is one marker, but cardiovascular disease risk is another. Diabetes control is another. You can have some health improvements occur even when the scale refuses to budge. That's what keeps me going even when the scale isn't cooperating.

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Post: #4 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-13-2012 08:26 AM
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Yes it "works" long term. In fact, it is programmed for long term not short term. I have maintained my weight loss since 2008. Took me a year to lose. (Total weight loss 60 pounds)

I am not using myself as the gold standard, just an example.

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Some measures: http://www.livinghealthy360.com/index.ph...ain-15439/
Suggestions on getting started:http://www.livinghealthy360.com/index.ph...iet-16074/
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Post: #5 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-13-2012 10:50 AM


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It should work for most people, as long as you don't get sucked into that "eat all you want" nonsense. Calories still matter, although you don't really have to keep track of them. LCHF naturally keeps you feeling full longer so you don't want to eat as much as you would on a low fat diet.


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Post: #6 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-13-2012 11:04 AM


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(04-13-2012 10:50 AM)marilynb Wrote:  It should work for most people, as long as you don't get sucked into that "eat all you want" nonsense. Calories still matter, although you don't really have to keep track of them. LCHF naturally keeps you feeling full longer so you don't want to eat as much as you would on a low fat diet.

I noticed that the free LC book Jimmy linked to yesterday did just that. It literally said "eat all you want." Maybe for some people that means "eat until you are full," but others think it means "eat without stopping."

That meme is not doing LC any good. Calories are not the "driving factor" when you have a mess to sort out (like too many years of following SAD), but once LC does what it can do, you still have to manage total food in. LC does not override everything.
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Post: #7 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-13-2012 11:46 AM


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I found this article which I think is really interesting:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weigh...alories-2/

It makes sense to me. I think I'm taking in too many calories- 1800-2000. So I'm going to try and shoot for 1500-1700 (going to the higher end on workout days). So far today I'm making small cuts and see if they are noticeable. For example, I was eating 3 eggs, scrambled, with an oz. of cheese and 4 sausage links. Today I had 2 eggs, 1/2 oz of cheese, and 2 links and I feel just as satisfied. We'll see as the day goes on.

The key, I'm learning, is to change from the mindless "eating because it's there and tastes good" to "eating because I'm truly hungry". It's hard to retrain yourself to know what that feels like when you've spent a lifetime ignoring your body's true needs.

Yesterday I had a really "hungry" day where I just felt hungry, especially in the afternoon! So by the end of the day my calories were over 2000. Plus I was out for lunch at McD's and had 4 hamburger patties which for the calories and fat were not worth it. I don't think I will gain from a day like that since the carbs were still very low, but obviously I can't be eating like that every day and expect to LOSE.
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Post: #8 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-13-2012 12:25 PM


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(04-13-2012 11:46 AM)navywife2001 Wrote:  I found this article which I think is really interesting:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weigh...alories-2/

It makes sense to me. I think I'm taking in too many calories- 1800-2000. So I'm going to try and shoot for 1500-1700 (going to the higher end on workout days). So far today I'm making small cuts and see if they are noticeable. For example, I was eating 3 eggs, scrambled, with an oz. of cheese and 4 sausage links. Today I had 2 eggs, 1/2 oz of cheese, and 2 links and I feel just as satisfied. We'll see as the day goes on.

The key, I'm learning, is to change from the mindless "eating because it's there and tastes good" to "eating because I'm truly hungry". It's hard to retrain yourself to know what that feels like when you've spent a lifetime ignoring your body's true needs.

Yesterday I had a really "hungry" day where I just felt hungry, especially in the afternoon! So by the end of the day my calories were over 2000. Plus I was out for lunch at McD's and had 4 hamburger patties which for the calories and fat were not worth it. I don't think I will gain from a day like that since the carbs were still very low, but obviously I can't be eating like that every day and expect to LOSE.

Eades is basically right. I'm still a bit taken aback and offended a little about people saying that stalls are due to people eating for fun, or lack of control like a drug addict (food reward). I know that these things happen, but so do a lot of other things too.

Some people are actually trying and following up on every clue they can, measuring everything they eat, and still struggling. To simply dismiss this as gluttony without proof for each case is just more fat-hating from thin people. It's really annoying.

I think for people that stuck to a good plan and stalled, the explanation that calorie requirements go down as weight goes down makes more sense. It's easy to forget that once you lose like 1/3 or more of your body weight. You tend to cling to what has been working, then it stops working.

I'm male, 51, 5'8", 188, and I would gain fast on 2,000 cal a day. That's a lot of food for someone wishing to lose! I'm doing about 1,500, but that is adjusted down due to the ex-hormone wreck thing.

LCHF enables you to get away from eating on time and a certain amount per meal out of habit. If you ate SAD, you learn from experience that if you skip a meal, you are miserable by the time the next meal comes around. If you have adapted to LCHF, you can get past this because the body can switch to burning fat instead of waiting for a cookie.

Of course if you keep eating a lot, you bypass the weight loss process that you did LCHF to put into place.

Again, people are getting a "process enabler" (LC) mixed up with the process itself (losing weight).
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Post: #9 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-13-2012 03:39 PM
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For me, low carbing makes it possible for me to control calories without experiencing hunger. I also found that eating too much protein could cause a problem so I go in livestrong.com daily plate and make sure I am not eating too much protein. The book Protein Power tells one how much protein they need.

The scary part for me was making up the difference in fat. I am currently getting at least 60% fat, sometimes more and that helps I find. Of course, first I had to educate myself to learn not to be afraid of fat. Fat is my friend now.

Since I don't experience hunger at all, I am learning that I need to have set meal plans and eat what I need to get my protein, fiber and so on and take a one a day vitamin and my supplements. I can't rely on hunger signals because I don't get hungry and will either end up not eating at all or eating continuously non-stop if I don't just decide what I need to eat and eat that.

I am losing again now that I have been eating a higher percentage of fat and using set meal plans.
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Post: #10 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-14-2012 11:34 AM


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I've been posting off and on here for a long time. Usually I am just lurking but recently got motivated again. For me Atkins (the new one) didn't do a darned thing. I can lose on Atkins '72 but get completely bored on it. I have found that I have to lower my calories, fat and keep carbs at about 80 or less to lose. That being said I am doing JUDD for now. I lose a pound a week which, although slow, is steady. On my DD's I eat somewhere between 575 and 650 calories and keep the carbs pretty moderate. On the UD's I stay around 1400-1500 calories and the same moderate carb count. Of course I am older than many of you but the principle still applies to most of us. I was stuffing myself on the new Atkins and trying to get in all of those veggies. Nada happened. So, as always YMMV and I look forward to the next week to see results. I am actually beginning to relax a bit eating this way. Will post again.

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Post: #11 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-14-2012 01:46 PM


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JUDDD, sounds interesting. I looked it up. It's a calorie restriction routine, but you knew that.

One discussion said that the book says a < 500 cal day is as good as 0.

I don't doubt that it works. If a Paleo did it, it would be called "IF." That is more fashionable.

The discussion I read also made the point that it is not for someone with hormonal issues to solve first.

CR/IF is the last thing you try after you get yourself sorted out.
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Post: #12 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-15-2012 08:52 AM


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I find cheese keeps me from losing specially when it is part of my routine. 2 eggs and 2 pieces of bacon of sausage is enough for breakfast without the cheese.

Recently, I have been finding myself looking for smething to eat after a meal. If I eat some cheese or other fat, I feel satisfied, but it works best with cheese, I no longer search for something else to eat after a meal. Problem is, I am slowly gaining on HFLC so I am having to look at my amounts. As soon as I do that it triggers my search for food. (Being a quantity person means I have to feel full. I can't seem to get away with just "satisfied.") So I have to cut my fatty proteins down. Sigh. Always something. Constant battle.

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My low-carb journey: http://www.beyondprose.com/index.php/how...-me-80178/
My view of the Paleo diet: http://www.livinghealthy360.com/index.ph...imes-5592/
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Suggestions on getting started:http://www.livinghealthy360.com/index.ph...iet-16074/
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Post: #13 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-15-2012 04:28 PM


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I have been stuck at my current weight for a while. I tried tracking with one of those apps and tried to keep my calories a little below 1200, which was the number it said I needed to target to lose weight slowly (I'm 5'3", female, middle-aged). I got hungry all the time. Too hungry. So I quit doing that and now just eat to satisfaction. At least it helped me see I was not eating enough protein. I'm eating more meat now and feeling a lot less hungry and in control of my appetite again, but no weight loss yet. I'm probably going to have to do at least a day a week of fasting, but after my calorie restriction, I'm afraid of triggering my insatiable appetite again, so I haven't tried fasting again yet. I have been jogging a couple times a week and doing strength training. Seems to have no effect, although I enjoy it and it makes me feel stronger.
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Post: #14 RE: Does LCHF work for EVERYone? , 04-15-2012 05:06 PM


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I am have been stalled out for many months. I continue on with LC because I feel so good. The occassional times I have fallen off the wagon for a couple of days I feel like crap. I have lost 85 lbs and want to lose another 40. I don't have a problem with eating too much as I struggle to get even 1000 calories a day since I am not hungry on LCHF. Maybe I need to up calories to lose. I don't know. Maybe I have to find ways to up the fat more. I just after the two years bought coconut oil, now I have to start finding ways to use it.
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