(01-20-2012 10:11 AM)DFH Wrote: You could probably find a study to support any version you want, and you still wouldn't want to believe them.
It makes sense that humans, as omnivores, are adapted for variety. I dont think nature intended for humans to fall apart just because a tribe stumbles on a grove of fruit and finds it tasty.
Thanks for the reply! I don't necessarily believe this, but I think some may argue that what you said used to be the case, but after a century of eating primarily carbs, our bodies have gotten used to processing carbs first and not know what to do with ketones (until fully adapted). And reversing keto-adaption is not much too easy for us. Again, not my opinion (I try to be unbiased to learn as much as I can), just throwing that theory out there to hear peoples thoughts.
(01-20-2012 11:16 AM)weeji Wrote: Dr. Stephen Phinney talks about the body's process of coming back from cheating in this video.
Great video! I watched it all the way through. However, even he seems to say the evidence is inconclusive. He doesn't say 100% that you start back at square one. He just states that in his trials, people who had a vacation from the diet tended to have "unstable ketone levels in their blood" immediately after getting back on the diet. Not quite sure what that means exactly. He mentions the hard climb back to the top again, and that could be for various reasons. Eating carbs has increased your carb cravings, you are at the very least less keto-adapted, etc. I'm not being a skeptic, I'm just exploring all angles and not keeping a closed mind!
I did a bit of research just now and it would seem that people who are into Cyclical Ketogenic Diets report that people on the diet still go through the keto-adjustment period, but it just takes much longer since they are consistently loading back on carbs. Whether or not they get to the same level of adaption as a non cyclical diet, I couldn't find an answer to. Not sure if this was ever clinically tried or not and how they are measuring the amount of keto-adaption, but it would seem to point to evidence that you don't completely undo all your hard work in the last month or so of low carbing if you have one cheat.
Maybe if Jimmy runs across this he can give us his take on the matter? If I recall correctly, somewhere he said he has one cheat meal every couple months where he just has whatever he wants. I'm wondering if he feels like he has the ketogenic clarity (of mind) soon after the cheat day or if he feels he's starting all over. Anyone with similar experiences, I'd love to hear it!