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Post: #1 Sad DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 06:25 PM
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Smile I am brand new to this site, and just want to know if we HAVE to eat carbs at every meal?

I have been listening to the Podcasts and heard Jimmy talking to someone, the trouble is I can't remember which one and at the end He said, that CARBS are not necessary and Jimmy answered, then we really don't have to eat CARBS....I am pretty sure he said, there is no need for them.

Could anyone help me with this....If they remember the podcast, as I would like to hear it again. But even more so, I want to know if this is true.....It wasn't Gary Taubs, just listened to him again. I realize that some vegs. are VERY GOOD for you, but if you wanted to go for awhile without them, is it safe.....Julie
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Post: #2 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 06:59 PM


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I believe that it is fine to go without carbs, but I am not a nutritionist. I don't think that people need carbs. But keep in mind even meat/eggs have a small amount of carbs. Everyone's bodies are different, so you may or may not respond well. I've tried "zero" carb, and other than getting a little bored, I had no issues with it, felt just fine. But since I'm bored easily, I prefer a more varied eating plan. :-)

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Post: #3 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 07:10 PM


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I don't eat carbs every day, but I do like vegetables and eat them fairly regularly. Some people seem to need more than just a few low carb vegetables every few days, but I'm pretty sure I could go for quite some time on just meat (and heavy whipping cream in my coffee). We're all different, though, so you have to find what works for you.

In the Eades' book "The 6 Week Cure for the Middle-Aged Middle" they talk about the diet that gave them the idea for the 6-week cure, it was an all-meat diet.

I just eat what appeals to me--if I want vegetables I eat them; if I don't, I don't force myself to eat them.
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Post: #4 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 08:26 PM


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Thank you for your answers....I will keep them in mind. Also did you hear the talk I mentioned about on the Podcast? I sure would like to hear it again....
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Post: #5 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 08:59 PM


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Julie,its said that carbs are non-essential.The reason is that protein is converted in the body to glucose therefore negating carbohydrates.So even if you go on a meat only diet a good percentage of the meat is turned into carbohydrate in the body.But you will die if you go on a high carb diet devoid of protein since then your body doesn't have the building blocks to replenish its cells.
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Post: #6 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 10:17 PM


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Jimmy could have said that in any of his podcasts. It's not an uncommon thing for him to say. Wink

One way of looking at it is like this.

If you didn't eat ANY fat, you'd eventually die.
If you didn't eat ANY protein, you'd eventually die.
But entire civilizations have not just lived but thrived without eating any carbs.

We know this in part from studying Eskimos. They live in an area where no vegetation grows. Now they can get much of the same processed crap food we can, but for a long, long time they only ate meat and fish...and they thrived on it.
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Post: #7 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 10:30 PM


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I think survival is very possible with no carbs, especially if organ meats are included. The questions is..... is it optimal? Schwartzbien says it affects the stress hormones negatively when we are eating no carbs and in deep ketosis. The body senses starvation and goes into a catabolic mode, devouring muscle for energy. The cortisol and adrenaline levels rise, while the insulin & thyroxin levels plummet on no carbs. Ultimately, your hormones direct your body to store/release fat. If the hormones are out of balance you are more likely to store fat.

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Post: #8 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-23-2010 10:43 PM


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Hogsfan is right...I've said that plenty of times...although I remember Dr. Richard Feinman saying it in this podcast:

PART 1: http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shown...isode-135/

PART 2: http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shown...isode-136/

One of the chapters of my new book "21 Life Lessons From Livin' La Vida Low-Carb: How The Healthy Low-Carb Lifestyle Changed Everything I Thought I Knew" http://tinyurl.com/yh6smyy addresses this issue head on and offers you the scientific reasoning behind it. Big Grin

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Post: #9 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 01:05 AM


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There is no need for carbohydrates in the diet. What is important is glucose and the body's ability to process it. The liver will indeed make glucose from the protein that we eat. It will make al the glucose we need. Big Grin without a bite of potatoe,rice, sugar,bread.
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Post: #10 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 03:52 AM


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I'm no expert, but I would suggest that while we can certainly SURVIVE just fine without carbs, I think we need the micronutrients and fiber in vegetables and, yes, some fruit, to THRIVE.
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Post: #11 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 12:05 PM


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(03-24-2010 03:52 AM)kali Wrote:  I'm no expert, but I would suggest that while we can certainly SURVIVE just fine without carbs, I think we need the micronutrients and fiber in vegetables and, yes, some fruit, to THRIVE.

I would think that too...but apparently the Eskimos didn't (need veggies to thrive). That's what makes it so interesting.
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Post: #12 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 12:08 PM


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(03-24-2010 12:05 PM)Hogsfan Wrote:  
(03-24-2010 03:52 AM)kali Wrote:  I'm no expert, but I would suggest that while we can certainly SURVIVE just fine without carbs, I think we need the micronutrients and fiber in vegetables and, yes, some fruit, to THRIVE.

I would think that too...but apparently the Eskimos didn't (need veggies to thrive). That's what makes it so interesting.

Seems to me, I read that they had a shorter life expectancy and also accelerated aging?

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Post: #13 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 12:54 PM


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I can't thank you all enough. I was just wondering, and find that even thou I tried to cut down really low these first three days, there are carbs in what I am eating, and I will keep eating....So I see that in a normal
LOW CARB plan, there will be enough carbs to keep me going and still stay pretty low....
Jimmy that wasn't the one podcast I had heard, but I did hear the Dr. say we don't have to have carbs. So thank you, he was very interesting.
Julie
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Post: #14 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 02:57 PM


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Julie, just be sure you familiarize yourself with one of the reputable low-carb diets, because they ALL allow SOME carbs. Low-carb is not no-carb.

As for the Eskimos, I wonder about two things: Does the high level of algae consumed by the fish and seals they eat provide them with phytonutrients? And are they genetically adapted to their diet? Because when they (and highly studied groups like the Pima Indians) start eating a typical Western diet, they seem to suffer more obesity and health problems than populations that are more adapted to the diet.
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Post: #15 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 06:48 PM
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It was this link that I surfed on to almost 7 years ago that convinced me that the lw carb lifestyle was an ideal diet. The Inuits lifestyle was quite similar.

http://www.westonaprice.org/Guts-and-Gre...icans.html
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Post: #16 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 07:38 PM


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From everything that I have been learning this past year, since I went LC, it seems that you can live quite well without carbs. However, I find that eating good quality, low-carb veges, really enhances my dining experience. I consciously choose low-carb veges and also indulge in a small amount of fruit from time to time. Occasionally, on a major holiday when I cook for my non-low-carb family members, I will eat whatever I cook, less any bread products, only I eat much smaller amounts and dive right back into the low-carb the next day. Some days are completely carb free and I usually feel more energized on those days.
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Post: #17 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 08:25 PM


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(03-24-2010 07:38 PM)Tapper Wrote:  From everything that I have been learning this past year, since I went LC, it seems that you can live quite well without carbs. However, I find that eating good quality, low-carb veges, really enhances my dining experience. I consciously choose low-carb veges and also indulge in a small amount of fruit from time to time. Occasionally, on a major holiday when I cook for my non-low-carb family members, I will eat whatever I cook, less any bread products, only I eat much smaller amounts and dive right back into the low-carb the next day. Some days are completely carb free and I usually feel more energized on those days.

Yeah, I too love my low carb veggies so I figure, why restrict those. However, if someone told me that they did not eat vegetables, it would not phase me at all. I no longer feel that health suffers if you do not eat vegetables.
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Post: #18 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-24-2010 09:46 PM


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(03-24-2010 02:57 PM)kali Wrote:  ...
As for the Eskimos, I wonder about two things: Does the high level of algae consumed by the fish and seals they eat provide them with phytonutrients?

Sounds reasonable...wouldn't change anything the fact that they thrived on a no carb diet.

Quote:And are they genetically adapted to their diet? Because when they (and highly studied groups like the Pima Indians) start eating a typical Western diet, they seem to suffer more obesity and health problems than populations that are more adapted to the diet.

So based on this it would seem they are NOT genetically adapted any different than the rest of us. We all get sick eating crap. Wink
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Post: #19 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-25-2010 12:49 PM


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(03-24-2010 06:48 PM)black57 Wrote:  It was this link that I surfed on to almost 7 years ago that convinced me that the lw carb lifestyle was an ideal diet. The Inuits lifestyle was quite similar.

http://www.westonaprice.org/Guts-and-Gre...icans.html

Wow - I really enjoyed this article. Alot of the food described totally grossed me out beyond belief though! Thanks for posting it.
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Post: #20 RE: DO WE REALLY NEED CARBS??? , 03-25-2010 04:22 PM


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(03-24-2010 09:46 PM)Hogsfan Wrote:  
(03-24-2010 02:57 PM)kali Wrote:  ...
As for the Eskimos, I wonder about two things: Does the high level of algae consumed by the fish and seals they eat provide them with phytonutrients?

Sounds reasonable...wouldn't change anything the fact that they thrived on a no carb diet.

Quote:And are they genetically adapted to their diet? Because when they (and highly studied groups like the Pima Indians) start eating a typical Western diet, they seem to suffer more obesity and health problems than populations that are more adapted to the diet.

So based on this it would seem they are NOT genetically adapted any different than the rest of us. We all get sick eating crap. Wink

I think you misread what I wrote. The Pima Indians and other indigenous people DO suffer MORE obesity and health problems than ethnic groups that have had agriculture longer.
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