(01-27-2010 10:26 PM)Hogsfan Wrote:  Great suggestions. Thanks. I shower more than I bathe. How often would one need to do the magnesium bath?

You could try just a foot bath with concentrated magnesium chloride or sulphate. If you made it concentrated and sat with your feet in a large bowl of magnesium rich water
you can work at the PC and soak up magnesium at the same time.
There are foot baths/spas that make the job easier.
Just looked on Amazon and there are several foot bath's foot Spa's and if you look at the section
Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought
You'll not be surprised to see products containing Dead Sea Salts.

This study supports the idea though it doesn't say how often. I find it hard to imagine that one can overdose on magnesium this way as in the past people used to bath daily in spa waters if doing so for more than a week caused the runs those posh bath spas would not have become so popular.

That's a great idea. I think my wife gave my sister a foot bath a couple years ago for Christmas. Thanks again, Ted.

I use a cooler as a foot bath. You know, the kind of cooler you fill up with drinks and ice and take to a picnic. Just find one big enough for your foot (or feet) and fill it up with hot water and add Epsom salts or Dead Sea Salts (I like to add a drop of lavender oil to make it smell good, but that's just cosmetics). The cooler makes the water say hot longer because of the insulation. I can sit at the PC or the TV and soak my feet and absorb magnesium at the same time I'm feeling wonderful.

Mackay.. I posted this on another thread but thought you might want to take note for your clients:
I've been doing some research on Vitamin D, and have found some facts that got my attention.
There's a small study in which the patients taking 100 mg iodine daily saw a DECREASE in serum 25-OH-D3 levels (http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-21/IOD_21.htm) as well as a sharp INCREASE in Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH). It syncs with another fact: Vitamin D is necessary for thyroid hormone production.

Vitamin D also controls the Renin-angiotension system, which impacts blood pressure. (I have elevated blood pressure which low carb has helped but not cured).

Also discovered that Vitamin D acts as a hormone within the body and in its most potent form, actually initiates gene transcription within the cells.

All this raises my eyebrows because I have found that when I up my iodine intake, I GAIN weight, and I was shocked recently to get the results of my vit D test.. it was low, and I take Cod liver oil and a multivitamin every day. The facts above would explain why the weight gain happens when I take extra iodine, and why I have trouble losing weight even when I eat very low carb. I am now upping my vitamin D supplementation to 10,000 iu per day. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Oh and I forgot.. another study showed that supplemental calcium also DECREASED serum vitamin D3.
I attached the study on the other thread here: http://www.livinlowcarbdiscussion.com/sh...246&page=4

Ellen I heard somewhere that the solid pills arent as good as the gel pills. right? thanks
karen

(02-06-2010 09:40 PM)knorris47 Wrote:  Ellen I heard somewhere that the solid pills arent as good as the gel pills. right? thanks
karen

Don't know, been wondering the same thing my self. Given D is a fat soluble vitamin, I bought gel caps to take over the dry tablets.

Ted, any ideas?

Dr Davis of heart scan fame says that the Gels are necessary! He recommends them only.

(02-07-2010 01:26 AM)ellenwyo Wrote:  Don't know, been wondering the same thing my self. Given D is a fat soluble vitamin, I bought gel caps to take over the dry tablets.
Ted, any ideas?

Dr Davis finds his patients do best using oilbased capsules.
There are several oils used as the carrier.
I don't think it's helpful to add to your omega 6 intake unnecessarily so I avoid the sunflower, safflower and soy options.

Olive oil isn't too bad and there are some 10,000iu in olive oil that are very reasonably priced. I think you need to taste them by chewing the capsules to check the oil hasn't gone rancid.

Fish oil is also a sensible option however these can be considerably more expensive and as most D3 capsules are very small the amount of omega 3 in them isn't really worth the extra money.

I prefer my D3 in MCT oil. This has a good shelf life, it's most unlikely to go rancid in storage. It's also easily absorbed and easily and quickly metabolised. They are also pretty cheap. Country Life, Vitamin D3, 5,000 IU, 200 Softgels $10.20
As MCToil is also taken up directly through the skin people with inflamed or damaged digestive systems could either chew the capsules and hold the contents in the mouth for a while to allow time for some absorption to occur in the mouth and under the tongue. They may also want to consider snipping the tips off the capsule and massaging the contents into the skin, preferably where the sun doesn't shine (armpit) as light degrades vitamin D.

I've also used BIOTECH dry powder filled capsules and I know those work very well indeed..They are recommended by Dr Cannell.

Dr Mercola has a sublingual spray that may be an idea for people with poor digestive sytems.

I think the only form that has a poor track record for absorption and effectiveness are the SOLID TABLETS. They can pass through the digestive system without dissolving or dissolving too late for the D3 to be taken up. It makes sense to take Vitamin D with food but Dr Cannell is not bothered about when you take your D3.
It's more use in your body than in the pot, so if you forgot to take it with food then DON'T worry take it when you remember.
If you miss a couple of days then on the third day take 3 times as much.
I'm happy taking larger amounts to make up for deficiency or forgetfulness to raise status quickly.
It takes months and months of high dose use to raise status to the point that adverse events have occurred so using a large amount for a short time won't do harm.

I've been on 4,000IU's of D for the past 6 months and developed kidney stones a couple of weeks ago. The 6 months previous to that I was on 2,000 IU's since my first hydroxy D test in 6/09 was 42. Doctor would like to see me in the 60-80 range. I took 2,000 IU's for the first 6 months and the levels came back at 35 at the end of November 09. The doctor now has me 4,000 to 5,000 per day. I've read that D can be contraindicated with stones. I've never experiences stones before, so I have to wonder.

(02-07-2010 05:30 PM)skcoe Wrote:  I've been on 4,000IU's of D for the past 6 months and developed kidney stones a couple of weeks ago. The 6 months previous to that I was on 2,000 IU's since my first hydroxy D test in 6/09 was 42. Doctor would like to see me in the 60-80 range. I took 2,000 IU's for the first 6 months and the levels came back at 35 at the end of November 09. The doctor now has me 4,000 to 5,000 per day. I've read that D can be contraindicated with stones. I've never experiences stones before, so I have to wonder.

Sorry to hear about the kidney stones.
Your doctor is right to want to see you in the 60~80range this is the level human bodies naturally attain and maintain.
Uric acid levels really need addressing to prevent kidney stones. Coffee and vitamin C supplementation could be considered as preventive measures as these can lower urate levels,
People with type 2 diabetes have highly acidic urine, which may lead to uric acid stones.

Greater intakes of total vitamin C were significantly associated with lower serum uric acid concentrations.

Vitamin C informationBear in mind the half life of Vitamin C is measured in minutes so to obtain 2g daily use 4 x 500mg TIME RELEASE, SUSTAINED RELEASE, SLOW RELEASE or similar words. Take one every 6hrs and you will have a steady vitamin c level throughout the day.
Take them all at once and your 2g is 1g after 30mins 500mg in 1hr, 250mg 90mins, 125mg 120mins, 62.5mg 150mins.
Extended release forms are better absorbed and better used and will be less likely to be involved in kidney stone formation.

On the calcium side of the equation you want/need it fixed in your bones and remaining there. Many people also take Vitamin K2 and Magnesium to
Krispin magnesium update for how much magnesium to take.
Magnesium and kidney stones Magnesium citrate may be a good choice.

You should also ensure you get a LITTLE vitamin A daily.

(02-07-2010 06:32 PM)tedhutchinson Wrote:  

(02-07-2010 05:30 PM)skcoe Wrote:  I've been on 4,000IU's of D for the past 6 months and developed kidney stones a couple of weeks ago. The 6 months previous to that I was on 2,000 IU's since my first hydroxy D test in 6/09 was 42. Doctor would like to see me in the 60-80 range. I took 2,000 IU's for the first 6 months and the levels came back at 35 at the end of November 09. The doctor now has me 4,000 to 5,000 per day. I've read that D can be contraindicated with stones. I've never experiences stones before, so I have to wonder.

Sorry to hear about the kidney stones.
Your doctor is right to want to see you in the 60~80range this is the level human bodies naturally attain and maintain.
Uric acid levels really need addressing to prevent kidney stones. Coffee and vitamin C supplementation could be considered as preventive measures as these can lower urate levels,
People with type 2 diabetes have highly acidic urine, which may lead to uric acid stones.

Greater intakes of total vitamin C were significantly associated with lower serum uric acid concentrations.

Vitamin C informationBear in mind the half life of Vitamin C is measured in minutes so to obtain 2g daily use 4 x 500mg TIME RELEASE, SUSTAINED RELEASE, SLOW RELEASE or similar words. Take one every 6hrs and you will have a steady vitamin c level throughout the day.
Take them all at once and your 2g is 1g after 30mins 500mg in 1hr, 250mg 90mins, 125mg 120mins, 62.5mg 150mins.
Extended release forms are better absorbed and better used and will be less likely to be involved in kidney stone formation.

On the calcium side of the equation you want/need it fixed in your bones and remaining there. Many people also take Vitamin K2 and Magnesium to
Krispin magnesium update for how much magnesium to take.
Magnesium and kidney stones Magnesium citrate may be a good choice.

You should also ensure you get a LITTLE vitamin A daily.

Thanks for your reply and all the great info The funny thing is my bloodwork has never shown high levels of uric acid levels. I take 1,000 mg C-complex about 4X per day, but it's not sustained release. I'll switch that over. I am type II diabetic, so thanks for the heads up concerning stones. Can't drink coffee, due to blood pressure and cystic breast issues. Never knew it was good for preventing stones, hubby gets gout. I encouraged him to get off of coffee, never knowing it may benefit lowering uric acid levels? I take 1,500 mg of straight magnesium cirtate to keep blood pressure down....plus cal/mag citrate 1,500. I've heard that creatine monohydrate can also be a trigger for kidney stones and I recently switched for the ethyl ester creatine to the mono, also began adding cittruline malate. Should I stay on the high doses of D3?????

(02-07-2010 08:04 PM)skcoe Wrote:  [quote] 1,500 mg of straight magnesium cirtate to keep blood pressure down....plus cal/mag citrate 1,500. I've heard that creatine monohydrate can also be a trigger for kidney stones and I recently switched for the ethyl ester creatine to the mono, also began adding cittruline malate. Should I stay on the high doses of D3?????

I would stay with the D3 but avoid any supplementary form of calcium.
Calcium from food sources is much better utilized than from supplements.
I presume you are NOT drinking soda's cola's etc.

Green Tea May Prevent Kidney Stones

Make sure you are covering vitamin A and vitamin K2 as well though.
I'm sure I don't have to remind you that fructose (in all it's modern forms) raises uric acid levels so MUST be avoided.

(02-07-2010 08:33 PM)tedhutchinson Wrote:  [quote='skcoe' pid='96030' dateline='1265580241']

Quote: 1,500 mg of straight magnesium cirtate to keep blood pressure down....plus cal/mag citrate 1,500. I've heard that creatine monohydrate can also be a trigger for kidney stones and I recently switched for the ethyl ester creatine to the mono, also began adding cittruline malate. Should I stay on the high doses of D3?????

I would stay with the D3 but avoid any supplementary form of calcium.
Calcium from food sources is much better utilized than from supplements.
I presume you are NOT drinking soda's cola's etc.

Green Tea May Prevent Kidney Stones

Make sure you are covering vitamin A and vitamin K2 as well though.
I'm sure I don't have to remind you that fructose (in all it's modern forms) raises uric acid levels so MUST be avoided.

I've heard that about absorption issues with supplemental calcium too. Just wondering if I'll get enough calcium by having one salad per day, one serving of collards or kale and one serving of brocolli or cauliflower? Those are the main veggies I eat. No dairy at all, except for whey protein isolate. Never have been a soda drinker, even when I was a carbaholic. No alcohol, so sugars of any kind..... occasionally stevia, sucralose and acesulfame potassium to sweeten protein drinks. (FRUCTOSE IS THE DEVIL) I am on about 30 carbs per day, from fiberous veggies and avocado. I take cod liver oil, so ther is naturally occuring vitamin A in there. Also some food form multi carotene complex. I take alfalfa....I think that supplies K2? I take 2 green tea capsules before workouts, probably not as good as real homne-brewed tea though.

(02-08-2010 12:25 AM)skcoe Wrote:  Just wondering if I'll get enough calcium by having one salad per day, one serving of collards or kale and one serving of brocolli or cauliflower? Those are the main veggies I eat.

The whey protein isolate probably contains 20% of daily calcium. Other food sources here Eggs have some. Meat has a little but if you make stock from the bones or chicken carcass and add a bit of vinegar(acid) you will improve the calcium content of the stock, and it improves the flavor of soups.

Quote: I take alfalfa....I think that supplies K2?

Vitamin k2 foood sources
The Heart Scan Blog: Food sources of vitamin K2
Whole Health Source: Vitamin K2, menatetrenone (MK-4)