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Post: #1 Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 02:07 AM


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Is it possible to be in ketosis (and showing it on the ketostix) but not be losing any weight? I've been around 205 since I started induction two weeks ago, and have been in ketosis since day 4, but no loss. What's going on?

I wouldn't think I'm doing much wrong because I'm showing purple on the ketostix and all, but man, this is frustrating. I'd expect at least a LITTLE loss by this point.

The next time someone questions your Low-Carb way of life, and tries to give you "words of wisdom" against it, quote them these words from Michael Scott of NBC's "The Office": "I will swallow what you just said, digest it, and see what comes out the other end."

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Post: #2 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 02:17 AM


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Yes. It's possible. My opinion (which I take from Dr. Eades) about how this happens is that you are eating enough fat that your body has no reason to use it's stored fat.

People will disagree with me on this.
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Post: #3 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 02:21 AM


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**sigh**

Last week people were telling me it sounded like I didn't have ENOUGH fat in my diet.

The next time someone questions your Low-Carb way of life, and tries to give you "words of wisdom" against it, quote them these words from Michael Scott of NBC's "The Office": "I will swallow what you just said, digest it, and see what comes out the other end."

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Post: #4 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 03:17 AM


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(01-16-2009 02:21 AM)Rev.HaggisMacJedi Wrote:  **sigh**

Last week people were telling me it sounded like I didn't have ENOUGH fat in my diet.
Rev,
If you are purple, just keep doing what you are doing. How many carbs are you taking in on a daily basis? You may have to drop to < 10 or < 5 gm to break the stall. Also, at the beginning, people have a tendency to eat too much food. Cut back on the carbs, eat meat and fat. The fat will satisfy the hunger and give you energy, however, too many carbs will fake you into thinking you are hungry and you will overeat. Carbs destroy satiation.
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Post: #5 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 08:34 AM
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Rev, personally after my initial swoosh my weight loss stalled. Then I read Dr. Bernstein's book and he suggested if you're not losing weight, try cutting back on protein amount by 1/3 at one meal (8 ounces of meat instead of 12 ounces). Then he says if that doesn't work try cutting protein by 1/3 at two meals. That seems to work for me. I limit myself to 105 - 120 grams protein daily. You also posted about eating olives. They are high in sodium and may cause water retention. You may be sodium sensitive as well. Hang in there! You can do it!

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Post: #6 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 09:20 AM


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Yesterday was the first time I've eaten olives in like years, so I know it's not that.

I'm only eating like 10 ounces of protein per meal, except for breakfast, where it's two eggs and 4 slices of bacon. And if I feel satisfied, I stop eating. I really don't think it's the amount that I'm eating. I'm also getting between 64 and 120 ounces of water per day. That's because that's how much water it takes throughout the day for me to not be thirsty. Sometimes it's a little, sometimes it's a lot.

My ketostix have ranged from pink to dark purple, so I know I'm still in ketosis.

The next time someone questions your Low-Carb way of life, and tries to give you "words of wisdom" against it, quote them these words from Michael Scott of NBC's "The Office": "I will swallow what you just said, digest it, and see what comes out the other end."

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Post: #7 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 01:07 PM


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Ironically, I blogged about this subject last year, Rev.:
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=2366

I also asked a bunch of low-carb experts to weigh in on whether ketosis is even necessary on low-carb:
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=2264

And here's a video about how Ketostix really aren't that necessary if you are low-carbing right:
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=2445

Hope this helps, buddy!

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Post: #8 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 02:29 PM


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I have never peed on a piece of paper and I'm still losing weight. Is that too graphic?

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Post: #9 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 02:56 PM


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Ketostix: The best technology you will ever pee on!

The next time someone questions your Low-Carb way of life, and tries to give you "words of wisdom" against it, quote them these words from Michael Scott of NBC's "The Office": "I will swallow what you just said, digest it, and see what comes out the other end."

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Post: #10 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 04:02 PM
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LOL Bear, no, never too graphic when we're discussing our bodies on low carb!

Great advice above. I think plateaus are normal and by tweaking a little and testing (lower protein, lower calories, lower carbs for awhile) you'll find the answer and start losing again. The body also has "catch up" when fat loss is fast. I once read that if your body starts to feel a little "soft and jiggly, like melted fat under the skin" instead of the harder fat when obese, then it's about to give up a large amount of fat and that sometimes, so to speak, it takes a break then you get a whoosh. I'd give it a few more days and really watch the carbs until then, keep 'em really low and eat fatty meat over lean.

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Post: #11 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 04:12 PM


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Dr Eades has an interesting blog on a similar subject:
- "Why is Low Carb Harder the Second Time Around."

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Post: #12 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 06:05 PM
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(01-16-2009 02:21 AM)Rev.HaggisMacJedi Wrote:  **sigh**

Last week people were telling me it sounded like I didn't have ENOUGH fat in my diet.

I understand how frustrating it is always getting conflicting advice. Do a search on "Do calories count on low carb." Virtual wars have been fought on this very subject. Wink

It's a balancing act with fat. You have to experiment to see what works best for you. Dr. Atkins explicitly said this is NOT a low fat diet and if you try to make it one, you'll fail. At the same time, he said to only eat till you are full (not stuffed) and (in the 72 edition) that if you eat 1500 calories, you WILL lose faster than if you eat 2000 calories a day but it's not worth being hungry over a little extra weight loss).

Dr. Eades frequently tells people who are stalling to avoid cheese, nuts and peanut butter because they are extremely high fat and high-caloric.

Of course, there are some people like Taubes who support the idea that carbs are the ONLY thing that matters and the amount of fat is irrelevant and Even ATkins and Eades seem to support HALF of this equation.

They say if your carbs are low, you CAN NOT gain weight, but you won't lose weight if your calories are too high.
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Post: #13 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 06:41 PM


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I did the ultimate diet which is low carb.....LOW CALORIE...for 3 days and you lose fat!!Ketosis isnt necessary for fatloss.....but is if your gonna low carb for life.
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Post: #14 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 06:44 PM


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You didn't end up in ketosis at the end of that?
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Post: #15 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-16-2009 06:53 PM


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(01-16-2009 06:44 PM)Hogsfan Wrote:  You didn't end up in ketosis at the end of that?

I dont think so.....its not very low carb and after 3 days your carbing up...LOL
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Post: #16 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-17-2009 01:30 AM


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Rav, ignore the scale for a bit. There is this idea of fat cell water retention (Lyle McDonald mentions it on his forum). Your fat cells as they empty, may temporarily fill up with water. After some amount of time, you will have what is known as a "whoosh" where the fat cells will all release that water at once. On that day, you will end up dropping 3 to 5 pounds. I think this is what is happening to you.

Hang in there brother, there is a light at the end of this tunnel!

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Post: #17 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-17-2009 05:01 AM


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Yeah, I'm hanging on, no big deal.

The next time someone questions your Low-Carb way of life, and tries to give you "words of wisdom" against it, quote them these words from Michael Scott of NBC's "The Office": "I will swallow what you just said, digest it, and see what comes out the other end."

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Post: #18 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-23-2009 08:09 PM


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Rev,

Cheese does that to me. In the beginning it was fine, but when I stayed in LC longer, for some reason cheese throws my weight loss off, even though I showed purple on the ketostix. I made sure I was within the 4oz allowed, and eating aged cheddar, but when I gave it up, it helped. A few times since then, I've eaten cheese just to make sure that this was really the problem, and I wasn't giving it up for no reason. The same thing happened every time. Maybe it's the sodium? Who knows.

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Post: #19 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-23-2009 08:49 PM
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Rev,try eating less fat.I know its counter to advice given here but it just may be what you need.Try cooking meals with less oil.In past,what worked for me very well,is that I started using cooking spray to cook meals(even though the meat had fat on it and chicken had skin left on).Then I cut nuts.

I look at calories in 500 increments.So you wanna lose a pound of fat then cut 500 calories a day.You dont have to measure stuff as thats annoying......just know that say 3 tbsp butter and a bag of nuts is close to 500.EDIT<<<even better is to add some exercise everyday!
(01-23-2009 08:09 PM)Karen4302 Wrote:  Rev,

Cheese does that to me. In the beginning it was fine, but when I stayed in LC longer, for some reason cheese throws my weight loss off, even though I showed purple on the ketostix. I made sure I was within the 4oz allowed, and eating aged cheddar, but when I gave it up, it helped. A few times since then, I've eaten cheese just to make sure that this was really the problem, and I wasn't giving it up for no reason. The same thing happened every time. Maybe it's the sodium? Who knows.

4oz a day of cheese is close to 500 calories.At the end of the week that equals one pound 3500 calories.And who in this world can eat 4oz at a sitting.I buy a package of swiss cheese slices and ive eaten half the pkg by the time I get in my front door. Big Grin Hey its atkins right!!!
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Post: #20 RE: Is It Possible: Ketosis but no Weight Loss? , 01-23-2009 09:15 PM


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I've spent a LOT of time in ketosis and NOT losing weight, including time where my calories were too low, definitely not too high.

To some degree I think the body has its own schedule. We really want to look at it like a math machine, but it isn't math, it's chemistry. (And further, for the seriously obese, apparently the level of chemistry is currently indistinguishable from "magic".)

Sometimes I lose weight when I have no good reason to as far as my eating goes. Sometimes I don't lose it, or ridiculously slowly, when if "BMR/Calorie Math" meant anything I should be losing lots of weight rapidly. This is actually one of the more demoralizing aspects of things for me, is that often it seems like my eating habits are only vaguely correlated, "sometimes", with my weight.

But when I think about the bigger picture of it all, I realize that the real problem is that we are not transparent, and our science is not very far along with metabolic biochemistry yet. If we could SEE what our body was doing, it would probably make perfect sense. "Why yes, I see you need to take a break, seek homeostasis, deal with that Niacin and Magnesium deficiency, build back up the cells for X and Y, redistribute fat cells in 11 areas of the body, and you'll get back to actual fat cell decrease it in 3 weeks -- no problem!" But we can't see that. It's totally black-box, as they say in software testing. We can't see what's inside, we have little idea of the reason for such things.

So being humans, we naturally make a whole list of assumptions that we think explain our reality, because the mind hates a vaccuum. So we assume that we lost 2 lbs because the cake we ate yesterday didn't matter, or that we gained 2 lbs because the extra avocado we ate yesterday did, or that we're not losing weight because {insert something here--and some of those, I might add, are valid!}, or whatever the case may be.

It makes it difficult to plan a program, see results, and then change things accordingly.

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