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Post: #1 Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 06:27 PM


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Hey gang,im new here but have been reading jimmy's blog for awhile.

Jimmy what are your thoughts on PUFA intake?Heres a bit of history from me.A year ago I started a bodybuilding diet that was very high protein and medium fat with minimal carbs.6 meals a day with one being egg based and one being red meat based.The rest of the meals was using peanut butter or raw nuts with whey protein shakes.

Now the maker of diet stated that you should keep an omega 3 to 6 ratio of 2 to 1.The maker than had you taking 3gms fish oil per day.

When I calculated out the ratios I was actually a omega 6 to 3 ratio of 3 to 1.Basically reversed.Now Ive read that too much omega 6 causes body inflammation.Well this is what I experienced on diet.My joints ached like crazy!!!!!

Well I went and upped my omega 3 intake to 25gms fish oil per day and the achy feeling was gone in two days.

So I ask.....what is your opinion on nuts.Since they are high in omega 6 it seems you then need to take a huge amount of omega 3 to balance it out and reduce the inflammation.This is very expensive!

Are nuts really healthy?If they disturb the omega 3 to 6 ratio in a badway and most people dont consume omega 3 then its gonna cause havoc.
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Post: #2 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 07:55 PM


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Welcome wolfstriked! Great to see you here on my forum. It is true that too much omega-6 fatty acids leads to inflammation which is why you need to supplement your diet with dietary and supplemental sources of omega-3 fatty acids like fish oil, grass-fed beef, Wild salmon, walnuts, etc.

It depends on the kind of nut you are talking about, but some are rich in omega-3s like walnuts. It's a good idea not to go crazy on nuts to begin with (maybe a few ounces each day), but I don't see anything wrong with consuming them as part of your healthy low-carb lifestyle.

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Post: #3 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 09:08 PM


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Well, the ratio thing is interesting. My doctor told me to stay away from Peanuts (yes I know they aren't REALLY nuts) because they cause inflammation. I'm not sure about other things and nuts. I would love to hear if anyone else has had this issue and what their experiences have been. Very interesting!
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Post: #4 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 10:08 PM


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As Dave Barry would say..."The Inflammation Nuts" would be a great name for a rock band. Wink

I haven't looked at this issue much, but when I did, I remember seeing that most of the foods we eat or either anti-inflammatory or neutral and most of the big inflammation foods are grains, vegetable oils, and other things I don't eat much of anyways.

Since I take a fish oil supplement anyways, I decided not to worry about it.
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Post: #5 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 10:34 PM


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I read Barry Sears's book the omega zone for info on fish oil and its anti-inflammatory benfits.Very enlightening but he pushes his superior high potency fish oil too much.He basically says that there is a test to see how much silent inflamation one has and then recomends a certain dosage of fish oil to combat.Claims its the future of medicine....it probably is!!Smile

Now he also writes that if you experience joint pains and other ailments then the inflamation isnt silent anymore.He recomends very high dosage for that.I feel great with 25 fish oil pills a day.I jump everywhere without any pain.

But theres this nut issue I have now.I absolutley love nuts and look foward everyday to my 2 bags of nuts!!Yet.....I can say without a doubt that the nuts inflame my body.And I think its the high omega 6 to 3 ratio since a high omega 3 to 6 reduces inflammation so....

I told the maker of the BB'ing diet about my issue and he said that its good to be inflamed for bodybuilding or I should say a slight inflammation.The body grows better when slightly inflammation is present.Not best for health but great for bodybuilding.There are actually BB'ing products out now that contain as the main ingredient arachidonic acid.This is the taboo stuff Barry Sears says in his book the Zone to steer way clear of as its a strong inflammatory.Yet there it is in a BB'ing product and people are raving about it.

Truth be told Im tired of Trying for the "look" and just wanna reduce my inflammation so I can live pain free!!!Smile

Jim,another thing I have learned from this bb'ing website is about a product that mimics insulin.Its called Vandyl Sulfate and works to lower blood sugar WITHOUT needing insulin(unlike chromium which is just an insulin enhancer).I mention this because I notice you take metformin.While VS is toxic at high doses at low doses it has no side effects and works!!!Cant say that about Metformin!!

My experience with the stuff is pretty good.Ive always had a hard time getting into ketosis and using VS when I feel like my blood sugar is high it levels me out and I feel great afterwards.You could try it when you take your PWO carbs.Or maybe it will help you with your insulin issue after a low carb meal.
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Post: #6 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 11:34 PM


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I get plenty of omega 3 from the foods and supplements I take, so I'm not worried. It's best to increase your omega 3s and you'll get more in line with where Dr. Sears would have you to be. If you missed it, check out my recent podcast interview with Dr. Barry Sears about his latest book Toxic Fat:

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=3017

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Post: #7 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-05-2009 11:38 PM
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I thought that nuts were full of MUFAs like olive oil or avocados, corn oil and soy oil etc are full of PUFAs. Check it out!

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Post: #8 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 02:02 AM
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(01-05-2009 11:34 PM)Jimmy Moore Wrote:  I get plenty of omega 3 from the foods and supplements I take, so I'm not worried. It's best to increase your omega 3s and you'll get more in line with where Dr. Sears would have you to be. If you missed it, check out my recent podcast interview with Dr. Barry Sears about his latest book Toxic Fat:

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=3017

Whoa nice Smile Ill check it tommorow.
(01-05-2009 11:38 PM)rozi Wrote:  I thought that nuts were full of MUFAs like olive oil or avocados, corn oil and soy oil etc are full of PUFAs. Check it out!

Quick look found this....scary look at walnuts ...sorry jimSmile

http://www.annecollins.com/dietary-fat/o...-chart.htm

http://www.peanut-institute.org/NutritionBasics.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909

Seems I was mistaken and optimal ratio is 2to1 with omega 6 being the higher.Still your system wil go out of sync by not watching the overconsumption of nuts IMO.

Rozi....monusaturated fat is considered a neutral fat.It doesnt interfere with the EFA ratio afaik.
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Post: #9 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 11:03 AM


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Quote:I told the maker of the BB'ing diet about my issue and he said that its good to be inflamed for bodybuilding or I should say a slight inflammation.The body grows better when slightly inflammation is present.Not best for health but great for bodybuilding.There are actually BB'ing products out now that contain as the main ingredient arachidonic acid.This is the taboo stuff Barry Sears says in his book the Zone to steer way clear of as its a strong inflammatory.Yet there it is in a BB'ing product and people are raving about it.

I think this whole inflammation for body building is bunk. Most people don't need any help becoming more inflamed. Also, most bodybuilding advice is pure garbage. I've read that one of the best body building supplements is Fish Oil. You want those nutrients flooding to your muscles after a workout. Too much inflammation is going to prevent that. This is just my opinion. I think some of the best bodybuilding and nutrition advice comes from a guy named Lyle McDonald. His site is http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/.

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Post: #10 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 01:22 PM
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This is a very interesting discussion and one that is discussed thoroughly in Loren Cordain's book, The Paleo Diet.

IN his book, Cordain (who has a PhD in sports science and nutrition and has done extensive research into the diet of our paleolithic ancestors), says that even though humans who lived in paleolithic times ate nuts and seeds regularly, a balance needs to be kept between Omega 6 and Omega 3 fats. Also, as Jimmy mentioned, even though nuts (especially walnuts) are high in MUFA's, they are also very high calorie. In Paleolithic times, some humans stored up nuts for winter, much like squirrels and these concentrated fats came in handy when the weather prevented hunting.

Today most modern Americans have a very unbalenced intake of Omega 6 with a ratio of 10 or 15 (Omega 6) to 1 (Omega 3). Ideally the ratio should be 2 to 1 like our paleo ancestors. He includes a chart in his book. Here is a part of it.

Omega 6 to Omega 3 Fat Ratio in nuts and seeds:

Nut or seed Omega 6 to Omega 3 Ratio

Walnuts 4 to 2
Macadamia nuts 6 to 3
Pecans 20 to 9
Cashews 47 to 6
Pumpkin seeds 114 to 4
Sunflower seeds 472 to 9
Almonds extremely high Omega 6 -- no Omega 3
Peanuts (not nuts & should not be eaten) extremely high Omega 6 -- no Omega 3

So as you can see not all nuts are equal. I started out eating all kinds of nuts, but have narrowed my consumption down to a handful of chopped walnuts when I eat them. Hope this helps.

p.s. Cordain also mentions that some people are allergic to nuts, esp. pine nuts which can cause inflamation in some people. So just go easy on them if you have problems or eliminate them and add nuts (not mixed with other nuts) back into your diet one at a time to see which ones cause you problems. And as I said, you should probably not eat peanuts which are legumes at all.
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Post: #11 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 01:30 PM


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Post: #12 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 02:50 PM


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Most nuts and seeds contain mild natural toxins which act to protect the seed from predation, giving it a better chance of surviving to grow into the adult plant. These toxins can cause inflammation because they are very similar in structure to the proteins found in our joints. When they body reacts to these toxins, it is also fooled into reacting against the joint proteins that are similar, and the result in joint inflammation. Some feel that rheumatoid arthritis is connected to grain lectins. The Weston Price Foundation recommends soaking and sprouting nuts and seeds to neutralize the phytic acid and lectins before consumption. Dr. Eades also talks about lectins in PPLP.

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Post: #13 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 04:50 PM
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(01-06-2009 11:03 AM)fatboymuscleman Wrote:  
Quote:I told the maker of the BB'ing diet about my issue and he said that its good to be inflamed for bodybuilding or I should say a slight inflammation.The body grows better when slightly inflammation is present.Not best for health but great for bodybuilding.There are actually BB'ing products out now that contain as the main ingredient arachidonic acid.This is the taboo stuff Barry Sears says in his book the Zone to steer way clear of as its a strong inflammatory.Yet there it is in a BB'ing product and people are raving about it.

I think this whole inflammation for body building is bunk. Most people don't need any help becoming more inflamed. Also, most bodybuilding advice is pure garbage. I've read that one of the best body building supplements is Fish Oil. You want those nutrients flooding to your muscles after a workout. Too much inflammation is going to prevent that. This is just my opinion. I think some of the best bodybuilding and nutrition advice comes from a guy named Lyle McDonald. His site is http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/.

We all experience different levels of inflammation on a daily basis.This is no doubt in my mind why some people are getting big results from these inflamation products....they are most likely the naturally skinny people that have a hard time putting any muscle on and have very low inflammation.

I have to agree about Lyle knowing his stuff!
(01-06-2009 01:22 PM)Eve Wrote:  This is a very interesting discussion and one that is discussed thoroughly in Loren Cordain's book, The Paleo Diet.

IN his book, Cordain (who has a PhD in sports science and nutrition and has done extensive research into the diet of our paleolithic ancestors), says that even though humans who lived in paleolithic times ate nuts and seeds regularly, a balance needs to be kept between Omega 6 and Omega 3 fats. Also, as Jimmy mentioned, even though nuts (especially walnuts) are high in MUFA's, they are also very high calorie. In Paleolithic times, some humans stored up nuts for winter, much like squirrels and these concentrated fats came in handy when the weather prevented hunting.

Today most modern Americans have a very unbalenced intake of Omega 6 with a ratio of 10 or 15 (Omega 6) to 1 (Omega 3). Ideally the ratio should be 2 to 1 like our paleo ancestors. He includes a chart in his book. Here is a part of it.

Omega 6 to Omega 3 Fat Ratio in nuts and seeds:

Nut or seed Omega 6 to Omega 3 Ratio

Walnuts 4 to 2
Macadamia nuts 6 to 3
Pecans 20 to 9
Cashews 47 to 6
Pumpkin seeds 114 to 4
Sunflower seeds 472 to 9
Almonds extremely high Omega 6 -- no Omega 3
Peanuts (not nuts & should not be eaten) extremely high Omega 6 -- no Omega 3

So as you can see not all nuts are equal. I started out eating all kinds of nuts, but have narrowed my consumption down to a handful of chopped walnuts when I eat them. Hope this helps.

p.s. Cordain also mentions that some people are allergic to nuts, esp. pine nuts which can cause inflamation in some people. So just go easy on them if you have problems or eliminate them and add nuts (not mixed with other nuts) back into your diet one at a time to see which ones cause you problems. And as I said, you should probably not eat peanuts which are legumes at all.

Great info.Sunflower seeds should be banned!LOL.Good idea about finding which nuts are worse.Things is I love all nuts and crave a variety EVERY day!!Today was almonds and cashews.Yesterday was pistachios etc...Im gonna up my fish oil to 15 caps every day and just keep eating them.
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Post: #14 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 05:31 PM


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I'm interviewing Lyle McDonald today for my podcast. Smile

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(01-06-2009 05:31 PM)Jimmy Moore Wrote:  I'm interviewing Lyle McDonald today for my podcast. Smile

Lol,Dang!!!!!!!Your the Oprah of low carb jimmy Smile

Just listened to the Sears show.At 14:00 he says that even eating a pro-inflammitory diet,with high enough levels of fish oil intake you can reduce all the negative effects.
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(01-06-2009 06:06 PM)wolfstriked Wrote:  
(01-06-2009 05:31 PM)Jimmy Moore Wrote:  I'm interviewing Lyle McDonald today for my podcast. Smile

Lol,Dang!!!!!!!Your the Oprah of low carb jimmy Smile

Just listened to the Sears show.At 14:00 he says that even eating a pro-inflammitory diet,with high enough levels of fish oil intake you can reduce all the negative effects.

Yes fish oil is "da bomb"! My grandma used to give me liquid cod liver oil as a kid (I was skinny as a rail and very athletic growing up BTW). We also used to get our eggs from an old lady out in the country. She had a yardfull of free range chickens. I got away from healthy eating for a long time. Now I take several cod liver oil gel capsules a day. I guess grandmas know best (or at least some of them). Big Grin
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The Lyle McDonald interview went for a full hour...it's gonna be GOOD! Smile But don't call me Oprah. I kept my weight off.

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Post: #18 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 08:35 PM


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But other than that, they are the exact same person! Wink
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Post: #19 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 09:34 PM


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Jimmy, I'm so stoked about the Lyle interview. When is that one going to be available?

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Post: #20 RE: Nuts causing inflammation??!?! , 01-06-2009 10:33 PM
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(01-06-2009 08:05 PM)Eve Wrote:  
(01-06-2009 06:06 PM)wolfstriked Wrote:  
(01-06-2009 05:31 PM)Jimmy Moore Wrote:  I'm interviewing Lyle McDonald today for my podcast. Smile

Lol,Dang!!!!!!!Your the Oprah of low carb jimmy Smile

Just listened to the Sears show.At 14:00 he says that even eating a pro-inflammitory diet,with high enough levels of fish oil intake you can reduce all the negative effects.

Yes fish oil is "da bomb"! My grandma used to give me liquid cod liver oil as a kid (I was skinny as a rail and very athletic growing up BTW). We also used to get our eggs from an old lady out in the country. She had a yardfull of free range chickens. I got away from healthy eating for a long time. Now I take several cod liver oil gel capsules a day. I guess grandmas know best (or at least some of them). Big Grin

Yeah I agree fish oil IS "da bomb".Eve,try fish oil capsules mixed in with CLO caps.You can take alot more fish oil and not have to worry about vitamin a&d toxicity which happens with high dose CLO.

Sears wrote in Omega zone of a test to take that will give you a guideline of how much fish oil to take.Ive got to scan that book and find this test....it may be in my near future.
(01-06-2009 08:35 PM)Hogsfan Wrote:  But other than that, they are the exact same person! Wink

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