Low Carbing but not losing weight?
Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-01-2012 02:32 AM


Newbie Low-Carber


I have been on a low carb/high fat diet for over 6 months and have not lost any weight. I am a Type 2 diabetic, and I do take both basal and bolus insulins, but adhere to strict low to no carb with high good saturated fats and moderate protein. I exercise at least 3 days a week (for 180 minutes total) doing Zumba (intense), and am active the other 4 days of the week with daily activities. I don't know what else to do to promote weight loss, and I would really like to decrease insulin use to very little to none, but cannot achieve this without losing weight to help with severe insulin resistance. Can you offer some help or suggestions?
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-01-2012 09:28 AM


Senior Low-Carber


I think You are eating too much carbs and protein, and no where near enough fat. It's common for us low carbers, especially insulin resistant ones to think we are eating heaps of fat, but it's very common for us to slip into the faddy Paleo mindset with all these lean protein meals. Are you cooking everything in butter? Are you supplimenting chicken with say gobs of sour cream? You can even suppliment by having a tablespoon of pure butter between meals. Check out the sorts of fat levels those epileptic kids have to have. Check out atkins fat fast.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-01-2012 10:46 AM


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THANKS for writing RKoss62 and I'm happy to assist you. What is your current eating plan so we can all see what might be the culprit in your difficulties? Also, since you have diabetes and take insulin, I highly recommend you find a medical professional who understands the powerful modality that LCHF provides. See if there's one close to you here: http://lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com

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RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-01-2012 01:09 PM


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Have you tried actually tracking what you eat for a while to see what the percentages are? I know that my own estimates without tracking can be off, and since I'm still working hard to lose weight, I need to track to keep myself more accurate.

I'm discovering that eating ENOUGH fat is really tough...I've been tracking my food in Fitday and it is darn hard work to get the fat levels to 85% while keeping the protein to about 12% and carbs to 3%.

Without tracking, I was eating too much protein and not enough fat. I'm also insulin resistant although just on metformin right now and I didn't have much luck at all losing weight for the first 6 months until I really clamped down on both carbs and protein and quit all grains.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-02-2012 03:48 PM


Newbie Low-Carber


Well, where do I begin? I am going to assume it is due to probably too much protein and not enough fat. Typically for breakfast during the work week I will usually eat about a handful of almonds, or walnuts, or pecans. Sometimes I will have a string cheese with it, but usually it is just the nuts. On the weekends I will typically eat eggs and bacon or sausage. I do not eat grains at all. Typical lunch is a salad with bacon, perhaps some turkey and ham with the rest veggies, hard boiled eggs, olives, banana peppers, green peppers, pickles, cucumbers, cheese and ranch dressing. If not the above meats on salad, I will typically have a tuna fish salad with the same stuff on it, but I add oil and vinegar for dressing on top of the mayo in the tuna fish. Dinners are usually whatever meat is made (steak, burger, chicken, pork) and either a side salad or fresh veggies (asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, mushrooms/onions/peppers, squash, zuccini, etc. I do not eat root veggies such as carrots. I do not eat corn, or peas, and very limited on tomatoes. No fruits other than occasional berries, but not that often. I use heavy cream in my coffee, I use virgin coconut oil, butter to cook with, and EVOO in salads. I do eat avacados, olives, sardines or kippers, tuna, all types of fish and seafood. I do not eat bread, rice, pasta, or potatoes of any kind. I substitue cauliflower for many of these, or use spaghetti squash or eggplant or zuccini for noodles.

I usually eat as snack type foods nuts (no peanuts), pepperoni, string cheese, olives for the most part. If I have made some LC cookies or something I might have a couple of those for snack. I really don't eat a great quantity of food at a time because I fill up quickly and have cut my portions down considerably.

Thanks for your suggestions and help.

P.S. Jimmy I do have wonderful specialists who I see; mainly Women's Health Clinic Cardiologist (nothing wrong with the heart, just preventative) and an excellent Diabetologist, as well as my PCP. I test my blood sugar at least 5-6 times per day, and I take bolus insulin only when necessary. I do try to keep my insulin use down as much as possible since I know this can be a huge cause of weight gain. I'm also perimenopausal with a great amount of hormonal fluctuations. I weigh 230 lbs, at 5'2" and both PCP and Diabetologist have mentioned gastric bypass. I really don't want to go that route because I do not believe it is a "cure-all". Thanks.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-02-2012 10:49 PM


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On the Atkins diet there are no nuts on induction and for a reason. They are known to stall. The nuts have to go... for now. I would think about limiting the cheese, especially processed cheese. Not cut out, just cut down.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-02-2012 11:03 PM


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No need for gastric bypass...generally it just takes some small tweaks to make changes happen.

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RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-03-2012 12:43 AM


Newbie Low-Carber


How do you increase your fat intake without eating nuts and cheese? I'd really like to tweak whatever to help stimulate some weight loss. If I could drop 25-30 lbs, I know it would help decrease my insulin resistance (severe at that).

So what kind of tweaking can I do? If I cut back on the nuts, what do I eat instead? If I cut down on cheese, what do I substitute it with? Too much protein can also cause liver dumps in a diabetic because the excess protein can be converted to glucose and stored by the liver, causing a liver dump. I get so frustrated and confused with it all.

Thanks for helping. I truly appreciate all comments and suggestions.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-03-2012 07:08 AM


Advanced Low-Carber


I had this problem too and found that cream, cream cheese and butter answered many of my "how to get fat into my diet" questions. If you have a cream based coffee for your breakfast with at least half a cup of high fat cream you will be full for hours. Cream has about 1-2 carbs per 100ml. Add some sliced ham or a boiled egg for your protein and your ready to go.

For lunch i have something meaty (maybe chicken legs and some coleslaw or some sausages) plus some salad if i feel like it. Then I follow it with a homemade cheese cake made with cream and cream cheese with a buttery ground almond base(see low carb recipes).

Dinner is meat and veg followed by a cream based chocolate mousse - whipped cream with 100% melted chocolate whipped into it and a few drops of stevia.

Basically, I have found that adding a cream based dessert after or with each meal has sorted me out. My fat content is now about 70 to 80% of my calories. I have cut back on protein by a long way and stopped some weight gain which was going on and lost a little too. (my weight is now normal - so i don't need to lose )

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http://www.collinsquinlan.co.uk

I lost 50 pounds on a ketogenic diet early 2012. I have kept it off ever since on a low carb high fat diet. My weight is now stable and "normal" for the first time in my adult life
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-03-2012 09:03 AM


Expert Low-Carber


It's important to remember that Atkins also mentioned eating a VERY high fat diet if his regular plan did not work.


That gets me nearly 1000 calories of fat in the am. Sorry to use calories, but I remember that and not the grams.

Incidently. This has also brought my blood sugar down. just tested it now after sipping my "fat coffee for the past hour and it is 87."

Mackay Rippey

Has your weight loss stalled because your body clock is out of sync?
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-08-2012 10:14 AM


Junior Low-Carber


Hi RKoss62

Perhaps you are over doing the exercise. I have seen exericse have a weight gain effect on some people, in others no loss at all. In women especially , exercise is strongly associated with weight gain. Dr. Linda Bacon talks about this.

I would scale back the exercise. A wise man of 73 years who competes in the Masters Olympics in the 100 meter sprints told me " The body needs more rest than most people give it."

Only exercise when your body is telling you to. Too much exercise fries your hormonal and nervous system and beats people down.


I think you are "trying to hard." Don't force it, let it happen naturally

Always work with your body and aim for a slooooow weight loss. ( 12 to 20 pounds in a year tops) This *might* lower the setpoint that your body defends. It's the only way I know how curently.

In all honesty I have gotten the best resulsts simply by playing my guitar for hours rather than formal exercise and staying relatively low carb. But, I do believe there is some "wiggle room" for carbohydrates that Gary Taubes has talked about.

Razwell http://razzwell.blogspot.com
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-08-2012 10:58 AM


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Obviously doing the same things with a little tweak is going to have the same result. Something is not right.

The prime suspect is too much exercise when you are trying to adjust your body weight down. Ease up. Relax. Read about chronic fatigue, and chronic cardio.

Since you know you are fighting insulin resistance, you know to eat low carb, but low carb may not be a magic bullet and the only thing to look at.

I would want to know what your triglyceride number is before deciding what to do next. If trigs are way high, address that directly (I take a supplement for it called Maitake SX Fraction).

I was very much IR in 2007. Trigs were high, insulin was high, weight was 315, I hardly ate and stayed huge. Exercise did nothing for it. I turned down a suggestion for a gastric bypass. I found a doc to sort out thyroid, fatigue, and hormones at the same time and it worked fine. I would hate to try that again just by doing LC and hoping for the best!

I would also suspect thyroid, and that's hard to fix considering the quality of most drs.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-17-2012 04:15 PM


Senior Low-Carber


Somewhere on this lovely Forum, I mentioned having to up my fat intake. I did "up" it by taking coconut oil, freezing it in ice cube trays, popping it out, airtight container in fridge and I pop them like a fun size anything. They feel so good in the mouth and there is just an imperceptable hint of flavor.

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RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-17-2012 11:52 PM


Expert Low-Carber


"If you have a cream based coffee for your breakfast with at least half a cup of high fat cream you will be full for hours. "

Did you really mean "half a cup of high fat cream"??? WOW that's a lot!

Atkins limits heavy cream to 3 TBSP (equal to 1/8 cup) on induction. Once you get to the "dairy rung" you can add more, but some people find dairy stalls them.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-18-2012 02:45 AM


Newbie Low-Carber


Wow, haven't been on this forum for a week or two (been really busy), but very happy to see all the suggestions.

Just to answer a few questions, I do not have thyroid issues. My thyroid has been checked numerous times and it is functioning properly. Perhaps for me the Zumba is too intense, but I just love it. It is fun and exciting, and helps keep my joints moving freely. I have cut back on cheese and nuts since reading that they can stall me, and I have also had more recent blood work done. My trigs and cholesterol is back up, but my HbA1c did come down slightly again. However, I had quit my statin drug without telling the doctor because I wanted to see if I could keep my levels low without the statin. Besides, there is so much information contradicting each other about whether to take statins or not. I've actually been on a statin for a very long time. Just thought I would try, but I guess I'm one of those who really needs it.

I also take COQ10, 4 grams of fish oil with high EPA/DHA daily. I've tried to do the whole coconut oil thing on its own, I just don't like it without being mixed with something. I do the best I can to include as much good saturated fat, but it's difficult sometimes. I worry too about my lipids even though I've never had them go down as low as they have since incorporating an low carb high fat diet. So, I just keep going and trying something new here and there.

I now have a CGM for the next few days to see where my highs are occurring and it is forcing me to log everything I'm eating and how much basal/bolus insulin I'm using and such. I haven't actually gone to my Zumba classes for the past two weeks because of other obligations, but have still been very active with painting and cleaning (we are redecorating a house).

I appreciate all your responses. Keep them coming! I take everything in and it really gives me new ideas and things I need to take into consideration and look more deeply into.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-20-2012 07:55 AM


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Did you really mean "half a cup of high fat cream"??? WOW that's a lot!

Atkins limits heavy cream to 3 TBSP (equal to 1/8 cup) on induction. Once you get to the "dairy rung" you can add more, but some people find dairy stalls them.
Yep, I really do mean this. I don't do Atkins and this amount of cream contains very few carbs - but loads of fat.
I don't find this stalls me - but you are right - for some people it may not suit them.
I would say that this breakfast makes up half my calories for the day. it is alot of cream - but it doesn't cause me any problems at all. Although some days i struggle to get through it all!

My blog for freelance writers:

http://www.collinsquinlan.co.uk

I lost 50 pounds on a ketogenic diet early 2012. I have kept it off ever since on a low carb high fat diet. My weight is now stable and "normal" for the first time in my adult life
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-20-2012 01:32 PM


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Did you really mean "half a cup of high fat cream"??? WOW that's a lot!

Atkins limits heavy cream to 3 TBSP (equal to 1/8 cup) on induction. Once you get to the "dairy rung" you can add more, but some people find dairy stalls them.
Yep, I really do mean this. I don't do Atkins and this amount of cream contains very few carbs - but loads of fat.
I don't find this stalls me - but you are right - for some people it may not suit them.
I would say that this breakfast makes up half my calories for the day. it is alot of cream - but it doesn't cause me any problems at all. Although some days i struggle to get through it all!
It sounds delicious. How much do you use per cup of coffee? When I have coffee, I use about a tablespoon of heavy cream per mug and will usually have two mugs. Since I'm not a big coffee drinker, the sound of a little coffee with my cream seems like a nice idea.

I'm another person who has no trouble with dairy. I actually tend to lose weight more easily if I'm getting a fair amount of cheese, cream and cream cheese in my diet.

My sites:
Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes
In the Kitchen with Linda Blog
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 08-20-2012 03:37 PM


Expert Low-Carber


I also use about a half a cup of cream split between 2 large cups of coffee per day. Also in each cup I put 15 grams of gelatin dissolved in 1.5 ounces of almond/coconut milk. It makes it very creamy and latte-like, and the gelatin adds enough protein that I rarely eat breakfast. The gelatin really helps with joint pain.
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 09-05-2012 07:05 PM


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CURIOUS SORRY ITS ON TOPIC OF FAT.. THE CALORIES YOU REFER AS NOT MENTIONING.. DO YOU SAY YOUR OK TO EAT AS MUCH FAT ON YOUR MEAL WITHOUT GUILT OF THE CALORIES.. JUST SO U COULD GET IT UP TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE?

FOR EXAMPLE LOVE TO FRY CHICKEN SO HAVE 3 PIECES NORM - 2 THIGHS WITH SKIN AND ONE DRUMSTICK WITH SKIN
I FRY IN PEANUT OIL

THEN WHNE I DRAIN SINCE I DON'T ADD FAT I TRY NOT TO DRAIN OFF ALL THE FAT IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?
PLUS THE CRUMBS OF THE SKIN THAT FRY UP ON THE BOTTOME OF THE PAN I TRY SCRAPE UP WHICH SEEMS SOAK IN MORE OIL TOO AND EAT THAT

IS THAT CONSIDER OK WAY GETTING ALOT FAT
AND IS THAT CONSIDER EATING TOO MUCH?
RE: Low Carbing but not losing weight? , 09-05-2012 07:08 PM


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Peanut oil is not an ideal fat. It's very high in omega-6 fatty acids that can be inflammatory for your body. If you want to fry chicken (I would assume with a non-white flour batter), then try coconut oil or some healthier oil instead. Fat is not the enemy. Carbs are.

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